Why so salty?

[AsteriaStarfall]

The problem is that players may like to actually play their tank class as their main class when solo as well. It was nice to kill things maybe not as quickly as a dps but not taking 5 minutes to kill 1 enemy because of low dps. The argument everyone makes is in regards to dungeon/raids but never considers the fact that some players may just like their "tank" class as their dps for solo content

[Einheri]

Why so salty?
1. Its the internet
2. Its a video game
3. Its a mmo

On the general saltyness level forums for mmos are only beaten by political news comment sections.

[Awful]

Heavy rain of salt of rain from OP everyone from 3.1 all knew this was coming those that did saved their 210 fending gear and now the str tanks are sad when we're tanks not dps. This means bad dps will stand out more and I say that's good why? Maybe people will get off their entitled asses and realize that their dps rotation, how they position, and use CDs can make them a better player. I honestly hated dpsing as a tank in dungeons/raids if I did more than say a drg, a blm, even a MONK it made me sad inside knowing that they have no idea what's going on and it's "how they want to play". Please.

[raymon]

its a endless cycle anybody else remember those bard threads? and people then told them to suck it up? that was a even bigger change then how a job gets its damage. it was a change it how the job played. the difference maybe that the bard one was more positive and the tank was (debatable) a Nerf. i don't post on the forums for this very reason. i will say this once. no matter what happens from here on out, people won't be happy. i main WHM would i be salty if the heals were nerfed? a little yes. but i would be understanding if it was for balancing. this was more of a balance issue then a "lets screw with the tanks for the lols" as a example lets assume that monk do a ton more dmage then the other jobs. there DPS is at least 1.5x higher then the next closest job. in that event it would make perfect sense to nerf monks because they would become a mandatory job in raids due ti there high DPS output. but they don't. because what matters more is if the job(s) are balanced enough where one is not extremely overpowered.

[Welsper59]

The problem is that players may like to actually play their tank class as their main class when solo as well. It was nice to kill things maybe not as quickly as a dps but not taking 5 minutes to kill 1 enemy because of low dps. The argument everyone makes is in regards to dungeon/raids but never considers the fact that some players may just like their "tank" class as their dps for solo content

That's the beauty of the job system in FF games. You're not bound to one role or class/job. If you're in solo content, you generally don't have to limit yourself. Don't want to level another job? Well that's a personal problem then. If ANYONE took up the tank job and took more than 30sec longer than a DPS to kill a regular mob, you're doing it wrong. Likewise, if you took up a tank and expected competitive output, you're doing it wrong. Think about it from the DPS perspective as well. The risk of death by taking on harder things is quite a lot higher as DPS, compared to a tank. Every role has its pros and cons. Nothing unusual there.

[papichulo123]

how dare you i have nothing nice to say to you so good day

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Really, most of the people that are salty are either DPS that fail at dpsing or bad healers that ride that Cleric Stance button too hard and whine when DPS die to unavoidable damage. Just laugh it off. :3

[TouchandFeel]

IMO, the tank dps nerf was less about "tanks do as much damage as dps" and was most likely more about trying to force a paradigm shift in both the tank meta and the way the roles interact in a party/raid environment.

While a good tank could do approximately as good damage as a not so good dps, skilled dps easily did a good amount more damage than a skilled tank. Whether the difference was enough is somewhat debateable. However, this does lead to the controversial topic of how many dps (not all of course) have been playing suboptimally and have been able to get carried through content by the other roles. This is the "way roles interact" part that I was getting at, that by lessening tank damage it puts more responsibility on dps to perform to compensate for that loss.

Now for the "tank meta" I am talking about the highly aggressive, "STR tank", dps stance tanking meta that has been a thing in this game for a while now. This meta is both good and bad as it is good for those that know what they are doing but bad for those that don't and unfortunately it created a situation in which a lot of inexperienced tanks or not very good tanks would try to follow the meta and perform poorly as a tank because they never learned or were able to handle the "tanking" part. I have a feeling SqEnix was not so hot on what the current meta had lead to and so wanted to shift it back to a bit more of a defensive focus for the role, therefore putting a greater emphasis on learning and putting into action on a regular basis, the basics of tanking in this game.

So in conclusion I feel that in order to force more responsibility of group dps back onto the shoulders of the dps role as well as to force more tanks to know how to tank, SqEnix decided they needed to be a bit heavy handed and implemented the overall tank dps nerf. It is of course by no means the end of the world and dedicated tank players will continue to play it because they love the role, but yeah nobody likes getting nerfed even if the reasons behind it were potentially sound.

As for people not being rude and childish in their responses, I agree and people really need to start putting the "common" back in " common courtesy" because these days it seems like people are considerably more ready to spit poison and fling feces at each other than have any civil discourse.

P.S. I do feel the nerf amount was a bit much as it is right now, but I am curious as to how it will scale with the equipment since VIT based gear tends to give a bit more VIT than STR gear gave STR. Will the greater VIT per gear piece end up adding up enough that the current nerf gets noticeably lessened? Who knows and it may be hard to tell now or even in the future but it is something that may warrant consideration.

[Dualgunner]

People post about their concern, and upsetness, that a job, in this case War, Drk, or Pld, is doing less damage due to the patch and most people fire back with comments akin to, "Boo hoo. Grow up. You were never meant to do damage. Shut up and tank. Suck it up and put your big boy pants on. Etc. Etc."

Anyway, the point of my post is to kindly ask all of you to not be so rude, negative, and/or hateful to one another regardless of what a thread is about and to, "Be excellent to each other."

You're at most 10 years old aren't you MugenMugetsu?

These are the kinds of people this thread is talking about. The vitriolic people who feel like now that a viable playstyle got nerfed to hell, they can now run around making fun of them and screaming 'We were right all along! See? SE agrees!' This thread is not meant to argue about whether or not the nerf was needed/wanted by the community, it was about how, and I noticed this too, as salty as the actual tanks are, all the healers and dps and VIT tanks commenting seem to be even saltier towards people who just had their way of playing crushed. Moreover it's a plea to remind everyone that we're all on the same side, and to try to keep insults to a minimum and regard others' feelings for their playstyles.

[MyrahiRounfa]

These are the kinds of people this thread is talking about. The vitriolic people who feel like now that a viable playstyle got nerfed to hell, they can now run around making fun of them and screaming 'We were right all along! See? SE agrees!' This thread is not meant to argue about whether or not the nerf was needed/wanted by the community, it was about how, and I noticed this too, as salty as the actual tanks are, all the healers and dps and VIT tanks commenting seem to be even saltier towards people who just had their way of playing crushed. Moreover it's a plea to remind everyone that we're all on the same side, and to try to keep insults to a minimum and regard others' feelings for their playstyles.

I really don't feel sorry for anyone complaining about this nerf, I've been tanking in MMORPG's since Ultima Online.