i230 Tome weapons!! So long relic grind...

[Evangela]

I mean, if you want to take that view you can apply it to anything in the game.

"Why bother raiding? The next raid tier will have better stuff anyway."

because other content are not as bad as that torturing relic quest.

[Arkenne]

My point is these are not even remotely obtainable 'instantly'.

Alright, maybe not "instantly" for the unidentified, but it still felt like the blink of an eye to me, and I didn't go for the Alex route for more than 3 bones...

680 may look high but if you do all daily roulettes you pretty easily can net 1 or 2 daily, while doing also beast tribes gets you 1 or each every 3 or 4 days. Add a map from HW and there you get another chance for one more, yes, RNG, but its not like it'll kill you to get one map for a free chance in a 3 minutes window.

Adding them all up can get you anything from 1 to 4 unidentified tokens daily, so if you got nothing to do with tomes (specially now with the 3.2 coming right up). you should have them all within a month, even if you aren't going for the relic itself, by just dumping your tomes on unidentifieds, you may get to a point when you suddenly already have the items for one...

"Instantly" may have been an overstatement from my part, but I still believe that it feels like the blink of an eye to me compared to previous relic quests...

[Silica-chan]

because other content are not as bad as that torturing relic quest.

So just doing 10 dungeons and after that the daily roulette which most people did/do anyway is bad and torturing? The only thing about I agree on is annoying ist the part with the crystals but it's still not as bad as the atma step was.

[LaylaTsarra]

I get easily 3 and maybe 4 a day depending upon S rank availablity. I do all my roulettes, two beast tribes, S Ranks and will grab a clear bonus whenever I have the opportunity.

15/15/15/15 on my 3rd Anima with a crafter making me the craftables today so I'll be set when i have all the unidentifieds.

Not sure what the next stage in relic holds but 2.35 isn't going to be that far away. I'll get tomb weapons for my alt roles and alt accounts. I don't raid and don't care to raid and I alway get a kick out of people who say raiding isn't a grind. It sure is but in another way with a group of people who regularly do that content weekly for weeks on end. And as some have pointed out those raid items you get aren't upgradeable and have to be discarded for the new raid tier which isn't a walk in the park when it's available. Relic is and will continue to be upgradeable.

[Noxifer]

That was my point. The raid weapons have always been the best weapons available at the earliest time. Relic weapons would catch up in later patches, and at the later stages were pretty much always BiS once you completed that stage of the grind. What I'm saying is, unrustle your jimmies cause they'll catch up again when we get the next stage.

The problem isn't that the raid weapon is better. Earlier (and my memory may be flawed because I didn't get to the relic when it first appeared due to slow levelling/altoholism, only got my zenith when they introduced atmas, and decided after three months and three atmas that it wasn't worth it and left it until they nerfed the droprate) the relics were the best until you GOT the raid weapon. Now, they introduced relics mere weeks before raising all weapons way beyond that. And it seems doubtful that they'll add more stages to the relic until way later. Sure, if they add more relic stages at the next minipatch (when they add the Feast and such) and raise the max relic to at least 230, that's fine, but I find it worrying when each stage of the relic seems stuck at 10 ilvl increases, whereas they raise the ilvl cap with a lot more each raid tier release. It makes for longer grinds for less reward. Especially when it doesn't seem like they've eased up on the length of the grinds for each stage =/

I don't know, I guess I'm just getting worn out by the same patterns repeating over and over ^^;

[FeliAiko]

The problem isn't that the raid weapon is better. Earlier (and my memory may be flawed because I didn't get to the relic when it first appeared due to slow levelling/altoholism, only got my zenith when they introduced atmas, and decided after three months and three atmas that it wasn't worth it and left it until they nerfed the droprate) the relics were the best until you GOT the raid weapon.

In terms of item levels:

Atma < Animus = Weathered < Novus = Non-Weathered < Nexus = Raid < IW < Zodiac < Augmented < Zeta = Raid

So Raid weapons aside, in 2.x Relics were generally the best until you got your upgraded Tome weapon, before it then either matched it (Novus) or surpassed it (Zodiac) before being made equal to the Raid weapon towards the end of the latest Patch.

[Noxifer]

So Raid weapons aside, in 2.x Relics were generally the best until you got your upgraded Tome weapon, before it then either matched it (Novus) or surpassed it (Zodiac) before being made equal to the Raid weapon towards the end of the latest Patch.

Yeah =/ And now relic weapons are made barely passable by the end of the patch, and completely outclassed by all the weapons in the next patch. Admittedly, we haven't seen what schedule they're going to have for relic upgrades, so it's possible it'll get back to that pattern.

[FeliAiko]

The only 'issue' I see with this patch (in relation to Relic) so far is Seph weapons being i220. Means the Relic doesn't get much longevity into the Patch (like Nexus did) considering how late into the patch they launched it.

[Warlyx]

bah who cares 3.3 will let u upgrade relic , and soon after u wil be able to upgrade Lore weapon doing the weekly quest of the last void ark....

and 3.4 later will make the relic obsolete again 3.5 will let u upgrade it to max finally after wasting 9 months of grinding pointless old quests and old dungeons no1 cares about , and gil of course

[Felis]

because other content are not as bad as that torturing relic quest.

You only tortur yourself if you want is asap.
It is normal game playing if you take a month time to finish it.