Why can't you see your stats when you finish dung/raids and trials?

[Andrea]

In the end you'll always have people who honestly couldn't care less about their performance, that's reality. But I think that pulling everyone into the limelight of the stage is not the answer, and will in fact end up being more destructive than constructive.

Will you get some people that will exclude you from their stuff with this system? yes of course you will but as stated above the majority of them are already doing that with parsers anyway. And to be honest, If people are excluding you for average DPS numbers then those people are the type you don't want to be in a duty with anyway.

If people don't care how they perform to put it bluntly they shouldn't be in the queue to begin with.

Why should others have to perform even better to compensate for a player who in your own words " couldn't care less about their performance"?

Sure I could kick them but they don't improve or learn anything from that. Sure I could try to give them advice, to be yet again met with "I pay so i'll play how i want" or .." Worry about yourself instead of me"

I am willing to bet the majority of players will not even visit SSS even once. And even if they did and didn't pass most wouldn't even care to try to improve.

I personally would have more motivation to improve my DPS if i knew that come the end of the dungeon everyone could see it. Who knows I may be crazy and it may just be me.

So yh if a parser was in game there would be even more BLMs... I mean DPS just completely ignoring every mechanics just to "prove" their Epeen is longer.

Of course some would care for just their DPS numbers, as you said people already do. But to make a claim of "everyone who uses parsers just cares about DPS numbers" then that just makes you look stupid.

If you notice people are not doing mechanics simply say to them. Just because they have the highest numbers doesn't make them untouchable.

The point of a parser or a score is to help you improve. If you want to bluff yourself and ignore every mechanic to try and tell yourself you're improving so be it. You are just as bad as the player that does A real reborn DPS numbers at 60.

And I will state, I know of far more players myself that ignore mechanics and do not use parsers. Does that mean all non parsers are the same? of course not.

[MagiusNecros]

Why not just make it show a results screen just showing your contributions and no one else's on duty completion so you have something to look at while waiting for dweebs to roll on loot?

If you are worried about your image in whatever performance you make then that just shows you have low self esteem and no drive to do better.

Unless of course you play poorly on purpose. Or don't want to try.

Of course you could also have a toggle option whether you want to see that junk or not. With all the HP bloat I'd love to see how much damaged I've inflicted on the boss.

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[MagiusNecros]

But I can see the number squares and where I placed my X's and O's in Tic Tac Toe. The stats are all provided for me in the game itself.

*snark snark*

[Telsyr]

I would like to point out that I do not care either way if a stat/parser is added, it will not make or break my game. I'm just nosy.

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May I ask YOU a hypothetical question?

Let's say that instead of adding SSS they added detailed stats at the end at the end of the dungeon.. BUT anyone at anytime could get the choice to opt in and out of any part this said program, including options to both disable your own stats displayed to other people, other peoples stats displayed to you, and the popup that would show up at the end. These options also default to off. (I am also aware that most people will claim these options would also defeat the purpose of said program.)

How would you feel about it then?

[Andrea]

How would you feel about it then?

Personally I'd be fine with that myself. This unlike SSS forces you too acknowledge your own DPS numbers as you kinda have to do duties in the game. It would show you before leaving a duty if you did good that run or if you did not so well and need to improve.

I also feel that if people opt out of showing their result for that run they shouldn't be able to see anyones numbers. Even if others opt in they shouldn't see. If you aren't willing to show yours then you don't get to see others numbers.

[Telsyr]

I also feel that if people opt out of showing their result for that run they shouldn't be able to see anyones numbers. Even if others opt in they shouldn't see. If you aren't willing to show yours then you don't get to see others numbers.

You make a fine point, and this is now one of the conditions of the question.

[Kaurie]

If they had that opt in opt out thing, I'd prefer if you could make a PF that disallows opting out and/or opting in.

[Whiteroom]

Personally I'd be fine with that myself. This unlike SSS forces you too acknowledge your own DPS numbers as you kinda have to do duties in the game. It would show you before leaving a duty if you did good that run or if you did not so well and need to improve.

I also feel that if people opt out of showing their result for that run they shouldn't be able to see anyones numbers. Even if others opt in they shouldn't see. If you aren't willing to show yours then you don't get to see others numbers.

Tbh her suggestion is almost pointless due to process of elimination. Very quickly people will figure out what it takes to clear a run at what speed, so they will have a rough idea of who is contributing what. For example, it becomes know that each dps needs to do roughly 1000 dps to clear a check, 3 dps do 1100 but the check is still not cleared. The fourth did not show their stats, but it is already proven they did less than 700.

It would only help if multiple people opted out. But then, I always see the flaw in that suggestion being that those toxic people that the crowd against parsers is terrified of would only zero in on people who disabled it. And not that I'm for harassment, but from what a lot of the same people have posted in the past, they would be most likely on the right track. A lot of those totally against parsers are they same ones supporting the "I pay a sub, so I play how I want, and the rest of the team doesn't matter" play style.

[Torunya]

May I ask YOU a hypothetical question?

Yes you may.

If players were free to toggle out of that system while retaining their privacy then you'd think there wouldn't be a problem. But I don't think it's that easy. Anyone who desired could take part, and that would theoretically be the end of it. Still, anyone opting out of this system would be thrown under a lot of suspicion by default for not 'showing' their performance. I simply feel it is a system that doesn't belong in PvE, and while I gather that my opinion is unpopular, I stand by it. It sounds like overkill to me, and I would much rather welcome an individual in-game parser instead. The point is for the player himself to learn how he performs so he can improve accordingly, without sharing the news with the world unless he so wishes it.

A result screen that showed your own performance for example, and your own only; I would much rather have.