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  1. #101
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    AlexiIvaniskavich's Avatar
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    Hrothgar Grulag
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    Zalera
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    @szy -
    I saw a reddit post indicating this in a translated piece. I didn't see it within the official notes, so please post if you find it. It's not that I don't trust reddit..... but.....

    Personally, I find it rather annoying that the majority of those who complained about tank dps were, for the most part, bad at their job. I have never beaten a good Bard or Machinist as a DRK or PLD. (Depending on the fight WAR is usually neck and neck). I have beaten plenty of bad ones though.
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  2. #102
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    Galgarion's Avatar
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    Famine Cruor
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    Mateus
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    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiIvaniskavich View Post
    @szy -
    I saw a reddit post indicating this in a translated piece. I didn't see it within the official notes, so please post if you find it. It's not that I don't trust reddit..... but.....

    Personally, I find it rather annoying that the majority of those who complained about tank dps were, for the most part, bad at their job. I have never beaten a good Bard or Machinist as a DRK or PLD. (Depending on the fight WAR is usually neck and neck). I have beaten plenty of bad ones though.
    The whole thing is a bottleneck designed to keep their new raids relevant for a longer period of time. Tanks in full 220 with the current meta would have trashed the new content. It would have been savage, but not in the way they imagine.

    Raid: Wow, you're cute. Let me look at you. Wow. This your first time shooting a video, sweetie? How old are you?

    New Content: I'm 18. Yeah, this is my first time. Ha! I mean, not my first time, but you know. Ha.

    Raid: Cool, cool. You ever work with a strength tank before? Can you handle it? They get pretty rough. They looooove new content though.

    New Content: Ha, yeah, I've heard of them. Yeah, I'm not scared though. Ha.

    Raid: They're gonna push that dps. They're really gonna push it hard, I hope you're ready, sweetie. Okay, here they come!

    (Jacked up Warrior and Paladin enters the scene. Stuff happens)

    (New content shoots two more videos, then retires.)
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  3. #103
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    Grey_D94's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Dominus Grey
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    Ultros
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Galgarion View Post
    Snip.
    Okay, no. Let's not go through that analogy, yes? Brain bleach dispensers for everyone!

    Now, back on track, WAR brings extra offense as an OT. PLD brings extra defense (potentially party-wide) when they do it and will have better attack power to their skills, even possibly being able to hold aggro on their RA combo.

    DRK is clearly aimed towards MT'ing, what with its skills restoring MP and implementing a magic resistance debuff while they take damage. Their OT'ing seems a bit off to many, and for good reason! Continue.
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  4. #104
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    Kenji1134's Avatar
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    Aleksandr Deicide
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    Cactuar
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    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Galgarion View Post

    Raid: Wow, you're cute. Let me look at you. Wow. This your first time shooting a video, sweetie? How old are you?

    New Content: I'm 18. Yeah, this is my first time. Ha! I mean, not my first time, but you know. Ha.

    Raid: Cool, cool. You ever work with a strength tank before? Can you handle it? They get pretty rough. They looooove new content though.

    New Content: Ha, yeah, I've heard of them. Yeah, I'm not scared though. Ha.

    Raid: They're gonna push that dps. They're really gonna push it hard, I hope you're ready, sweetie. Okay, here they come!

    (Jacked up Warrior and Paladin enters the scene. Stuff happens)

    (New content shoots two more videos, then retires.)
    Sir... this... is amazing.
    I applaud you good sir, I truly do.
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  5. #105
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    Brannigan's Avatar
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    Will Brannigan
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 80
    I don't understand why these changes took so long to tune. There's nothing that dramatic about any of it and it's all stuff they could have just thrown out there in 3.1 to see if it worked. Oh well. At least Clemency has a reasonable cast time now.
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  6. #106
    Player Violette's Avatar
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    Eonkhui Malaguld
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Galgarion View Post
    This is exactly the mindset that needs to be drowned like an unwanted kitten. With these buffs, no group will ever be forced to pick a DRK over a Pally or vice versa. That's parity, baby.
    Your lack of humour disturbs me.
    With the lb changes we'll be lucky if war/war isn't every groups progression. Like I keep saying, depends on the content.
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  7. #107
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    Aaliyahrose's Avatar
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    Aaliyah Rose
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    Cactuar
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by FallenWings View Post
    PLD doesn't want to get hit when it is using its (largely unnecessary)support abilities as well as wanting to get hit for that sweet, sweet Shield Swipe.

    Where is the Sheltron change? Why does Rage of Halone still suck so much but we have to still use it for certain situations? Why is AoE damage still nonexistent for PLDs? Why are stances still annoying to dance in?
    Now this just seems selfish. PLD will always stay inside the realm of best defensive tank with low damage. They already patched it to where it will not cancel weaponskill combos midway. Divine Veil is situational, not RoH. The strength Down debuff needs to be up at all times anyway even in OT stance. PLD also in its nature, is a tank that heals and protects others in tight situations. These "largely unnecessary" support abilities rely on the tank's judgement of a situation.
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  8. #108
    Player Violette's Avatar
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    Eonkhui Malaguld
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Aaliyahrose View Post
    Now this just seems selfish. PLD will always stay inside the realm of best defensive tank with low damage. They already patched it to where it will not cancel weaponskill combos midway. Divine Veil is situational, not RoH. The strength Down debuff needs to be up at all times anyway even in OT stance. PLD also in its nature, is a tank that heals and protects others in tight situations. These "largely unnecessary" support abilities rely on the tank's judgement of a situation.
    The manipulator would like a word with you.

    Also, best defensive tank ONLY works if you get a noticeable bonus from all that defence.

    Which currently, you do not.
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  9. #109
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    Fernosaur's Avatar
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    Hazel Korhonen
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Violette View Post
    The manipulator would like a word with you.

    Also, best defensive tank ONLY works if you get a noticeable bonus from all that defence.

    Which currently, you do not.
    Dude you are super pessimistic xD.
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  10. #110
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    Orpheus Dubhan
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    Faerie
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    Dragoon Lv 60

    Thanks for making DRK useless

    Between the pal and mnk buffs. No reason to take drk anymore.
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