Yoshida on Patch 3.2 Content - Famitsu Translation

[Ibi]

Bullcrap. PLD / GLD is one of the weakest soloing classes in the game, especially during story mode battles. Back when I did my relic quest, all the map farming for alexandrite had to be done on my SMN because I couldn't solo any of the encounters involving more than 3 mobs on my PLD, even with my chocobo specced out for healing.

That's weird.

I did all mine on paladin, usually forgetting I even had a chocobo, because I was more-or-less impossible to kill, and I never had any issues with killing stuff in a timely manner.

[therpgfanatic]

That's weird.

I did all mine on paladin, usually forgetting I even had a chocobo, because I was more-or-less impossible to kill, and I never had any issues with killing stuff in a timely manner.

Yeah, this is exactly what I'm talking about when I mention players who act like they are awesome in unrealistic ways.

The Rock giant with bomb minions is impossible to solo as a PLD as it requires the ability to either burn down the adds or kite them while DPS; neither of which a PLD is equipped to do. I don't even want to hear this crap that you were impossible to kill. You might be able to endure the Malboro or the Cyclops if you were over-geared and popping potions, but the same encounter done by any other class is x1,000 easier.

Yea-no.

Wow overcomes the obvious problem to this (If tanks do just as much DPS, why bring DPS?) By adding very specific party-wide buffs for each class. So even if tanks were doing similar dps, (which they only are if they're tanking and getting vengeance) they aren't bringing the diversity of buffs. FF14 basically only has the LB building system, and a moderate STR buff.

Much less, what's the point of rolling a DPS class if you're not better at DPS than a class that takes way more damage? Maybe you're ranged, or maybe your casting spells... But what if you're just a melee? What's the point? Thematically or mechanically?

Seems the solution is clear; add more unique utility to DPS classes. Why is this so complex to understand?

The main reason players roll a DPS class is to have less responsibility than tanking or healing. It's not to do the most damage in the game. I'd further say the class a player chooses as their main usually has more to do with their own psychology -- the image they want to project about themselves -- than it does any game mechanical reason. Thus why the majority of modern MMOs have long since abandoned a harsh adoption of the holy triad, in favor of a more relaxed model.

WoW is one example where tank DPS is on par with a pure DPS class while in a party, but there are also games as old as Ragnarok Online that have always allowed tank characters to deal high damage while tanking. Because the non-tank classes have other utility that tanks do not have, the game is still balanced.

FFXIV focusing just on how much damage, healing or defense a character has as the sole basis for determining what is "balance" is why there is a shortage of tanks.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Yeah, this is exactly what I'm talking about when I mention players who act like they are awesome in unrealistic ways.

The Rock giant with bomb minions is impossible to solo as a PLD as it requires the ability to either burn down the adds or kite them while DPS; neither of which a PLD is equipped to do. I don't even want to hear this crap that you were impossible to kill. You might be able to endure the Malboro or the Cyclops if you were over-geared and popping potions, but the same encounter done by any other class is x1,000 easier.

I always solo'd that as a PLD... lol Maybe you were just doing it wrong. The Marbol was easy, just stun it or use tempered will to remove the bind and walk out of the bad breath aoe. the cyclops was the only one I really had trouble with, due to lack of aoe damage, but I always managed to solo taht too

[therpgfanatic]

I always solo'd that as a PLD... lol Maybe you were just doing it wrong. The Marbol was easy, just stun it or use tempered will to remove the bind and walk out of the bad breath aoe. the cyclops was the only one I really had trouble with, due to lack of aoe damage, but I always managed to solo taht too

Just to ensure we are on the same track this is the encounter you are claiming to solo as a PLD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeXzMO6Gv5A

That's a WAR doing the encounter. The only reason they managed to succeed is because the encounter glitched and the bombs didn't target him and rush to explode like they are supposed to.

Here's the same encounter with a BLM who just nukes the bombs when they spawn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOIebRNy6Gc

See the difference? Winning as a tank requires sheer dumb luck. If the bombs had targeted the tank, he'd wiped and there would be nothing he could do about it.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Just to ensure we are on the same track this is the encounter you are claiming to solo as a PLD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeXzMO6Gv5A

That's a WAR doing the encounter. The only reason they managed to succeed is because the encounter glitched and the bombs didn't target him and rush to explode like they are supposed to.

Here's the same encounter with a BLM who just nukes the bombs when they spawn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOIebRNy6Gc

See the difference? Winning as a tank requires sheer dumb luck.

You realize you can just... attack each set of bombs as they spawn right? they dont have much hp and you have plenty of time to kill them before they explode.

That WAR just completely ignored them

[therpgfanatic]

You realize you can just... attack each set of bombs as they spawn right? they dont have much hp and you have plenty of time to kill them before they explode.

That WAR just completely ignored them

There isn't enough time for a PLD to single target kill each bomb while also getting wailed on by the golem. Unless they've changed the encounter from when it was released, which I doubt. Even if they did the point still stands that lack of tanking ability doesn't inconvenience DPS classes in the slightest because they can kill enemies before they can kill them, whereas PLD has a lot of difficulty dealing with more than a couple enemies due to low DPS burst and barely existent AoE.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

There isn't enough time for a PLD to single target kill each bomb while also getting wailed on by the golem. Unless they've changed the encounter from when it was released, which I doubt. Even if they did the point still stands that lack of tanking ability doesn't inconvenience DPS classes in the slightest because they can kill enemies before they can kill them, whereas PLD has a lot of difficulty dealing with more than a couple enemies due to low DPS burst and barely existent AoE.

A PLD had PLENTY of time to single target them down at release, I know cuz I was there. The golem didn't hurt that much lol. AND I was in full vit accessories. The only time the bombs exploded on me was when i LET them to see how much dmg they did.

[Kaurie]

The main reason players roll a DPS class is to have less responsibility than tanking or healing. It's not to do the most damage in the game.

Stopped reading there. That is completely false.

As for your note about soloing things, PLD will be superior for some things and weaker on other things. Go figure.

[therpgfanatic]

Stopped reading there. That is completely false.

As for your note about soloing things, PLD will be superior for some things and weaker on other things. Go figure.

No it's not. It's a well established truth from years of research. Character class selection is very dependent on psychological preferences. http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/

A PLD had PLENTY of time to single target them down at release, I know cuz I was there. The golem didn't hurt that much lol. AND I was in full vit accessories.

So was I, and you didn't. It was a major point of frustration for a lot of tank players and got complained about all the time. No point further arguing this. Once again, every time someone points out poorly designed game mechanics is not an opportunity for you to talk about how you are Gamer Jesus, capable of any and all feats mere mortal players cannot do.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

No it's not. It's a well established truth from years of research. Character class selection is very dependent on psychological preferences. http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/



So was I, and you didn't. It was a major point of frustration for a lot of tank players and got complained about all the time. No point further arguing this. Once again, every time someone points out poorly designed game mechanics is not an opportunity for you to talk about how you are Gamer Jesus, capable of any and all feats mere mortal players cannot do.

WHERE are your sources that a lot of tanks complained about this? I like how you dismiss me just because I had different results. Maybe you and them just didn't know how to play your jobs properly. I run into lots like you in duty finder as it is.

Those maps were not hard. You should probably switch to a dps if you had trouble with them.