DPS: Why is it so dang taboo?

[Tyrn]

your unique option is to deal with it, even if the one in your party is probably just doing auto-attacks and random things afking while you do the carry for his roulette.

Just kick without saying anything, if you in the unlikely case get questioned by a GM cite playstyle differences.

[RyuRoots]

The problem stems from several sources. We currently live in the society of the participation trophy. Self esteem is considered more important than hard work so everyone gets a prize. People are coddled from a young age and any form of criticism, whether its constructive or not, is immediately evil. Our society's overblown focus on political correctness has demonized anything that could possibly be construed as slightly negative. Everything must sound like a my little pony commercial or you're a hateful bully that can't be tolerated.

Kosmos also had it right with the single player game mentality. Games have evolved into glorified button-mashers. Strategy and practice is a thing of the past. If it weren't for games like dark souls, people who like to be challenged would have no outlet.

All of these things compiled lead to one inevitable outcome: butthurt.

Yeah, I bet you just run savage coil with minimum ilvl with new players blind all the time, huh? Y'know, since challenge is so important to you.

I also find it ludicrous how hard you work to strawman everyone that doesn't agree with you. The "so PC, so PC!!!!" crowd always does this. You work as hard as you can to demonize people not wanting others to be jerks to them and dress it up as being hypersensitive or overly politically correct when really, most people would just prefer game interactions to be civil. If someone's DPS is subpar, there are ways to say it other than "you suck, scrub" or worse. That you throw around "butthurt" and "super casual" give me a good idea what kind of interactions you likely have. :/

EDIT: whoops, typo

[Claymore65]

Like others have said, it's really in how you present the constructive criticism. Let's give two examples:

Unhelpful: "DPS is SLOOOOOW! Step it up, and git gud."
Helpful: "Hey, how's it going? I noticed you weren't using Heavy Thrust. If you work it into your Rotation, you'll find you deal much more damage. Just some advice."

You'll notice that the first comment doesn't actually do anything to improve the poor DPS player. It just tells them "step it up". If you don't understand your rotation...well, telling them "Do more damage" doesn't really do anything. If you don't know how to deal more damage, all it will do is irritate the player. If you give some friendly advice, in a polite manner, it tends to work much better. It also really helps if you ask if they want any advice before just declaring it. Just a simple "Can I give you some advice?" can do wonders.

On the "Political correctness" thing, there is a massive difference between being oversensitive, and someone legitimately being rude. Saying "Git Gud or GTFO" is just rude, and doesn't really improve anything. Saying "Hello, Fire spells deal much more damage than Ice spells, and Black Mages are intended to switch between the two" is a much better, more helpful piece of advice. If the player is a jerk about the advice, well, then the best option is to honestly just be quiet, deal with the slow run and go on with your day. One slow run is better than arguing through a whole dungeon.

[melisande]

*grabs popcorn* another thread about how you just cant possibly improve your DPS without 3rd party apps.

[HakaseNyan]

I just keep quiet when people are facerolling the keyboard. It's actually quite amusing, in its own sad little way, when someone with better gear is doing -300 to -600 dps less than you. I like having people like that around, actually, because it reminds me I'll never be that bad.

It doesn't matter if you're kind or abusive. It's different strokes of different folks. People will get offended at anything.

[Callback]

I don't parse myself, but BisEX was kind enough to give me a visual demonstration of how bad DF DPS are. On the twin mobs, my friend and I (both DPS) were lucky enough to both get the same debuff twice in a row. We finished our mob and turned to the other. It was at 70%. 70% FULL.

I don't get why YoshiP is resistant to making S3 an actual requirement. There's no elitism in a simple binary between "can do the absolute minimum to carry their own weight" and "can't." If you try S3 and can't do it, you shouldn't be trying to join the duty yet, and lying in PF about it to bait a carry is a serious abuse of other people's time and should be bannable.

[Judge_Xero]

*grabs popcorn* another thread about how you just cant possibly improve your DPS without 3rd party apps.

Or the reading comprehension of a 6 year old.

[tgoodner]

I don't get why YoshiP is resistant to making S3 an actual requirement. There's no elitism in a simple binary between "can do the absolute minimum to carry their own weight" and "can't." If you try S3 and can't do it, you shouldn't be trying to join the duty yet, and lying in PF about it to bait a carry is a serious abuse of other people's time and should be bannable.

Honestly, Stone, Sky and Sea does very little to alter the current state of the game, other than to give players who don't use 3rd party applications an abstract idea of their performance. As for myself, I'd rather just leave a PF group that's underperforming than try to ostracize a player that may be uninformed or ignorant about their theoretical potential. If a player wants to get better, they'll put the effort in to do so.

[Ragnorak]

Outside of savage and maybe thordan no reason for anyone to "gitgud" cuz theres no challenge. Sad day when top 2 dps in Void ark are two tanks and one of them is MT.
Its not often you see tanks or healers complain about having to do there job. God forbid theres a dps check tho all hell breaks loose

[Averax]

Because most of the game doesn't require anyone to "step it up". And because many of the people who think it's their duty to tell someone to "step it up" are not, let's put this delicately, even vaguely diplomatic in their manner of the telling.

To be fair, there is no nice way of telling someone that they're not performing up to expectations. Every criticism is treated as a personal attack, and they will lash out at you for suggesting they could do any wrong.

I once suggested to a SMN that they should cast Ruin as a filler instead of just standing around waiting for their dots to expire, and that maybe he should cast ruin 3 when he used Dreadwyrm Trance (rather than just blowing deathflare off cd), which prompted a string of insults in my direction. They tried to tell me i was a terrible healer because everyone was not topped off all the time. Seeing how things had resorted to ad-hominem attacks, i decied to stop playing nicely and retorted, "well everyone would be nice and full if i didn't have to pick up the slack in dps."

That did it for him, he ran and facepulled the boss and bailed (and it was the fractal continuum boss so it was not possible to down it without the extra dps. Not that we were downing it before that anyway.

The moral of this story is that people hate to be criticized for their benefit.