DPS: Why is it so dang taboo?

[Galgarion]

If there was an in-game option that let players rate each other's skill on a scale of one-to-four stars, we would abuse it. Most of us are not objective enough to separate performance from personality. We'd give someone a high rating because we felt sorry for them, we'd give someone else a low rating for being 'mean', and we'd give truly excellent players a mediocre ranking because they didn't 'wow' us. The metrics for what impresses us will vary wildly, because we're insanely arbitrary. God, if that system existed, more than a few of you would downrank someone for writing something you disagreed with in this thread without ever having played with that person.

Personally speaking, I never trust the reviews I read on Amazon. Especially bookreviews on sensitive subjects.

[F_Maximillian]

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Take it you had enough of this thread?

[feint2021]

Every time I see one of these threads I'm always bent on the issue. Although I haven't played FFXIV that long (I played a lot of 1.0 but there wasn't really anything to do), I've played FFXI for years.

When ever I wanted to do a shout type party, it was expected you'd see sub par performances from any job. The results were always mixed and was to be expected. If you wanted to get things done more efficiently, you'd want to be in an active linkshell. In relation to DF, you're essentially getting the same mix of players. In my experience with partying, the casual gamer usually doesn't go above and beyond often. It's difficult for me to get upset with a player who wants to experience more difficult content but isn't a great player or doesn't really know how to get better. Hearing the argument that there are plenty of guides and videos doesn't really convince me. It takes a good amount of time to do research and to keep up with changes in game. Sure I look up shit, but that's because I want to perform the best I possibly can. The thing with duty finder, is you're letting a function put together the party for you and thus, saving you time with the party set up. And seeing how much it upsets people on these forums about bad players, I can assume you know what you sacrifice with the auto party function.

I've only ran into one party where someone really went above and beyond to explain what a player was doing wrong (Had a pissed off tone though lol). I felt bad for the whm cause I could tell she was already trying her best. Would I take her to a raid? No, but if I really wanted to get something done in any other lower tier dungeon, sure why not.

On the flip side, being grumpy and tired, I was very forward with what the DD weren't doing right. As being the healer, it's hard not to get frustrated when you have 6 mobs and the DDs run in circles rather than bring them to the tank.

I really do want to agree with OP (and others alike), but I can't quite do it. If I really want to complete something, I'll ask my FC and do my research. But if I'm relying on the DU, I'm def not going to set my expectations very high.

If you're doing higher tier content, of course it's not taboo to let the DD knows how they're performing. When it comes to other stuff, I still don't think it's taboo but I'm also not going to let it ruin my day. Cause coming here to the forums and complaining here is doing what?

Now poke the holes in my argument XD

[Galgarion]

Something I've noticed a lot of in poor performing dps: they'll have a lot of max level jobs and fantastic gear, but their performance as a damage dealer will be painfully lacking, which leads me to conclude that either they're a jack of all trades and a master of none, or the job they queued as is a side project that they have no interest in mastering. It's had the interesting effect of making me dread playing with a stranger who has lot of max level jobs.

[NessaWyvern]

>.> This also happens in pvp, where you can see everyone's numbers at the end of the match. People get salty when you point out that a whm was doing more dps than someone as a smn.

T^T One blm went right into enemy lines and got attacked by the entire enemy alliance. He then said "3 Healers can't keep me up? Wtf, I'm out."
and then left the FL.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

People in this game don't know constructive criticism. No matter how polite you are, if you just tell the DPS, "do you think you can step it up at this phase?" is going to be met with hostility. Why? Because it provides absolutely no new information. And if that's all the DPS is hearing from people in the name of "constructive criticism" then it's going to wear on them. They don't need to be told that they need to step it up. They want to know what specific changes need to be made!

[Archaell]

People in this game don't know constructive criticism. No matter how polite you are, if you just tell the DPS, "do you think you can step it up at this phase?" is going to be met with hostility. Why? Because it provides absolutely no new information. And if that's all the DPS is hearing from people in the name of "constructive criticism" then it's going to wear on them. They don't need to be told that they need to step it up. They want to know what specific changes need to be made!

They first need to know that they are the one person who has to do more, till then it can be viewed as the collective fault.

I do agree that telling someone to step it up is mostly useless. The person should be just advised to leave the group and read the role forums before they return back.

[Geula]

When I run dungeons usually when someone tries to "give advice" to "DPS" it starts with the "mentor" throwing a "tantrum" and acting as if someone just burned down their house while the advice is basically wishy washy "git gud". There is never "can", "could", "would", "please" in the sentences, nothing concise and always authoritative tone making the "DPS" feel like the replaceable floor mop the game makes. Some people come to this game because the community advertises this game as very casual friendly, I don't know how people read that as but it can set some preconceptions to the initial impressions that can last to even to endgame or till the game ends it's service. I hate when people underperform but I won't complain about DPS/small pulls/no protect by saying "git gud" because all it could possibly do is make me wait another half to whole hour for another run. I don't open my mouth unless I know i can explain it in layman terms what's going wrong and what can be done to fix it.

I've seen also numerous complaints about levelling from 1 to 60 through fates while avoiding dungeons for most part and not learning their roles. I think the blame is on the long dungeon queues for this one, maybe the mentor roulette will fix it.