DPS: Why is it so dang taboo?

[GaiTsutsugami]

I just wanna start out saying, I main bard and I'm not exactly new, so I get how it goes as a dps. (Cleared thor and Alex S 1/2... screw 3). I also know the answer before I ask this so consider i for rhetoric's sake.

Why is everyone so touchy about their dps when they're told to step it up? Almost every single other mainstream MMO has some form of in game metric for dps aside from 'can i clear xyz.' Healers and tanks don't get a free pass, why do dps? Most dps complain too when a tank or healer makes one slip up, but 2/4 dps can drag 8 people down and suddenly you're a 'toxic' player for pointing it out.

I really, really, really wish parsing was a native function and we didn't have to use 3rd party stuff. I love ACT but I honestly believe this community could use a good wake up.

Anyway to avoid complain thread: ITT discuss times dps stood out to you!

[GaiTsutsugami]

Cut myself off like a dingus. Anywho, I remember the one time a drg tanked almost the entirety of some level 50 dungeon because tank just... seemed to not know how.
Arguably did a damn good job lol.

[Shurrikhan]

Cut myself off like a dingus. Anywho, I remember the one time a drg tanked almost the entirety of some level 50 dungeon because tank just... seemed to not know how.
Arguably did a damn good job lol.

I've tanked every 60 dungeon the whole way on DRG by now (though final Moratorium boss was a pain), and only a couple times lost threat (usually to healer on a mob I hadn't been critting enough). Tempted to petition for hybrid role.

[azlewood]

hey OP, you thinks thats bad, have you need a Frontlines match we're people are threatening to kick someone for they're "skill lvl" before the match even started LOLOL

[Kosmos992k]

You can edit your first post to include the extra material and delete he 2nd for a cleaner look if you like.

I think the answer may be that a lot of players come from a single player gaming universe, and so they are not really expecting, or wanting unsolicited opinions, especially annoyed and judgmental ones, demanding that they step up their DPS, and if not, calling them a 'bad' or simply crap at their job. So, when they are playing, and doing adequate DPS in non-end game they feel there is nothing wrong, mobs are dying, so everything is fine. Then they get into a group for end-game/raiding and suddenly other DPS are doing twice their DPS and demanding to know why they are not keeping up. It's a rude awakening for some.

[SnugglesD]

The problem stems from several sources. We currently live in the society of the participation trophy. Self esteem is considered more important than hard work so everyone gets a prize. People are coddled from a young age and any form of criticism, whether its constructive or not, is immediately evil. Our society's overblown focus on political correctness has demonized anything that could possibly be construed as slightly negative. Everything must sound like a my little pony commercial or you're a hateful bully that can't be tolerated.

Kosmos also had it right with the single player game mentality. Games have evolved into glorified button-mashers. Strategy and practice is a thing of the past. If it weren't for games like dark souls, people who like to be challenged would have no outlet.

All of these things compiled lead to one inevitable outcome: butthurt.

[Daemius]

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Anyways, on topic, my experience is as long as you aren't outright hostile people tend to listen to and appreciate feedback. Getting them to actually follow up with it is another issue though. It takes practice to "git gud".

[Laraul]

Why is everyone so touchy about their dps when they're told to step it up? Almost every single other mainstream MMO has some form of in game metric for dps aside from 'can i clear xyz.' Healers and tanks don't get a free pass, why do dps? Most dps complain too when a tank or healer makes one slip up, but 2/4 dps can drag 8 people down and suddenly you're a 'toxic' player for pointing it out.

A 'toxic' player is someone who complains on the blames things on the obvious, or making unhelpful remarks like "stop dying."

If you know what it's like to be yelled at for making a slip up as a tank or healer, then you should know how dps feel when they get singled out.

The problem stems from several sources. We currently live in the society of the participation trophy. Self esteem is considered more important than hard work so everyone gets a prize. People are coddled from a young age and any form of criticism, whether its constructive or not, is immediately evil. Our society's overblown focus on political correctness has demonized anything that could possibly be construed as slightly negative. Everything must sound like a my little pony commercial or you're a hateful bully that can't be tolerated.

This is what I tell my self all the time. It's not my fault I can't clear savage! It's society! :P

[RyuRoots]

The problem stems from several sources. We currently live in the society of the participation trophy. Self esteem is considered more important than hard work so everyone gets a prize. People are coddled from a young age and any form of criticism, whether its constructive or not, is immediately evil. Our society's overblown focus on political correctness has demonized anything that could possibly be construed as slightly negative. Everything must sound like a my little pony commercial or you're a hateful bully that can't be tolerated.

Kosmos also had it right with the single player game mentality. Games have evolved into glorified button-mashers. Strategy and practice is a thing of the past. If it weren't for games like dark souls, people who like to be challenged would have no outlet.

All of these things compiled lead to one inevitable outcome: butthurt.

Yeah, I bet you just run savage coil with minimum ilvl with new players blind all the time, huh? Y'know, since challenge is so important to you.

I also find it ludicrous how hard you work to strawman everyone that doesn't agree with you. The "so PC, so PC!!!!" crowd always does this. You work as hard as you can to demonize people not wanting others to be jerks to them and dress it up as being hypersensitive or overly politically correct when really, most people would just prefer game interactions to be civil. If someone's DPS is subpar, there are ways to say it other than "you suck, scrub" or worse. That you throw around "butthurt" and "super casual" give me a good idea what kind of interactions you likely have. :/

EDIT: whoops, typo

[SnugglesD]

Yeah, I bet you just run savage coil with minimum ilvl with new players blind all the time, huh? Y'know, since challenge is so important to you.

I also find it ludicrous how hard you work to strawman everyone that doesn't disagree with you. The "so PC, so PC!!!!" crowd always does this. You work as hard as you can to demonize people not wanting others to be jerks to them and dress it up as being hypersensitive or overly politically correct when really, most people would just prefer game interactions to be civil. If someone's DPS is subpar, there are ways to say it other than "you suck, scrub" or worse. That you throw around "butthurt" and "super casual" give me a good idea what kind of interactions you likely have. :/

Speaking of strawman arguments...

You completely misunderstood what I was saying and decided to just lump me in with all other "PC" arguments. My point is that there is no possible way to be constructive with any kind of criticism towards the people I was talking about. You can be as positive as you want about it, but any response other that blatantly lying and saying "no, you're perfectly fine" is an affront to humanity and the subject of demonization. I've seen more people explode over politely phrased pointers than I can count.

My argument had absolutely nothing to do with being rude. I'm not advocating being a douchebag. I was trying to point out that the reality of our society now is exactly what happened with your response. No matter how you try and phrase something, some emotionally stunted person is going to flip their shit because you didn't lie to them and tell them exactly what they wanted to hear.