Crafters have no right to get their own Chocobos

[NoctisUmbra]

Rental chocobos are not the equal of personal chocobos. They originate from only 3 points on the map. Traveling from arbitrary point to another arbitrary point is a huge step up, even if we discount that rental chocobos cost money and aren't as fast.

Grand Companies seem to hand out crafting manuals in exchange for their precious seals. This puts some significant tarnish on their pure combat shine.

Making people do things in a game that they don't want to do is a bad thing. It makes people quit. Misery can be had for free. Forcing battle classes to rank a craft to fix their gear was bad. Forcing a crafter to fight so that they can access transit is also bad.

Grand Companies hand out crafting gear and all sorts of misc. items in exchange for seals. I did not argue that the companies are purely battle content, but primarily battle content. A vast majority of the game's community participates in both crafting and battle. To join the Grand Company and pledge yourself to battle against the threat facing Eorzea you have to be ready for battle. Being part of the Grand Company will reward you in more than just your battle-related aspirations.

Furthermore, Grand Company issue chocobos are set to receive battle gear in exchange for seals. They are clearly being prepared for battle content.

As for your second point, nobody is being forced to do anything. They are simply being rewarded for their efforts.

You can chose to not level a craft, but rely on crafters to make and fix your gear.

You can chose to not level a battle class, and rely on rental chocobos to get you around faster.

Chosing to put in the extra effort to do both rewards you with the convenience of personal repairs, as well as a much more convenient chocobo.

[Duuude007]

Lets look at this another, more reasonable way.

In order to get your own personal chocobo, you must earn and trade in at least 3000 seals.. Period.

If you want seals, you will figure out a way to get them. Currently that means you need to complete specific quests. I'm sure other means will become available, but at this stage you must figure out what to do to earn those seals.

If you do not want to complete these specific quests, you need to either wait for new content, or ask SE for another handout.

Make your choice.

[Nuru]

Rental chocobos are not the equal of personal chocobos. They originate from only 3 points on the map. Traveling from arbitrary point to another arbitrary point is a huge step up, even if we discount that rental chocobos cost money and aren't as fast.

Grand Companies seem to hand out crafting manuals in exchange for their precious seals. This puts some significant tarnish on their pure combat shine.

Making people do things in a game that they don't want to do is a bad thing. It makes people quit. Misery can be had for free. Forcing battle classes to rank a craft to fix their gear was bad. Forcing a crafter to fight so that they can access transit is also bad.

Although this is true, it would only be fair to mention that if people wanted crafters to be just as important as DoW/M, they should also be able to experience the storyline, this being a primary issue, not Personal Chocobos.

Again, it doesn't really take long to reach rank 25 in a battle class. I have nothing against crafting and gathering classes, as one of my friends wants to craft more than battle. That's fine by me but games tend to set certain requirements and conditions before being able to experience new features. This is just one of many that requires a battle class. As Materia craft will require leveling a crafting class.

So, lets think of a way this can be handled to where crafters and gatherers can achieve their own personal chocobo..

What they can do is make a few GC quests centered towards crafters. Like they can make the supply materials for the caravan escorts. That would be great actually.. Gatherers can even play a part in that. Gathering quests.

However, most of the Grand Company content is Military-based, which in the case of the current events happening in Eorzea, means war. So GC quests should hardly be focused on DoH/L quests IMO.

Also, Coglin, I was being half sarcastic, as in, personal chocobos aren't the only chocobos available. You should also learn how to spell. /bow

Lets look at this another, more reasonable way.

In order to get your own personal chocobo, you must earn and trade in at least 3000 seals.. Period.

If you want seals, you will figure out a way to get them. Currently that means you need to complete specific quests. I'm sure other means will become available, but at this stage you must figure out what to do to earn those seals.

If you do not want to complete these specific quests, you need to either wait for new content, or ask SE for another handout.

Make your choice.

FFS, thank you for that! I think reading Coglin's posts make my brain bleed.

[Duuude007]

As Materia craft will require leveling a crafting class.

Ohh snap, you've hit the nail on the head there!


Let's review--

Major new content implemented in v1.19: Materia and Chocobos

DoH exclusive players do not have immediate access to premier Chocobo content, they must work 1 DoW/M class to R25. (Or bribe another battlecraft to power-level them to r25)

DoM/M exclusive players do not have immediate access to premier Materia content, they must work 1 DoH class to R18. (Or bribe another crafter to do it for them)

DoL exclusive players gain exclusive access to Materia catalysts, supplying crafters for a tidy profit.

Is it me, or did SE create an all-round timesink-o-fairness here?

Well played, SE. Well played.

[Arcell]

So I will say again:

How about we all stop arguing and whining and find a productive solution? I submit that that solution would be to simply get over it and level a battle class to 25. Is it fair? Maybe, maybe not. Is it what you're going to have to do to get a Personal Chocobo for the time being? Yes. All this time and energy spent raging and whining about it could have been spent leveling a battle class to 25 and chances are you'd be done by now.

[Nuru]

Ohh snap, you've hit the nail on the head there!


Let's review--

Major new content implemented in v1.19: Materia and Chocobos

DoH exclusive players do not have immediate access to premier Chocobo content, they must work 1 DoW/M class to R25.

DoM/M exclusive players do not have immediate access to premier Materia content, they must work 1 DoH class to R18. (Or bribe another crafter to do it for them)

Is it me, or did SE create a dual timesink here?

Well played, SE. Well played.

Well, at least there is someone here that gets it. Some people take me way too seriously. Was nearly mocking those who want access to all content no matter what or how much time they spend in certain classes. The primary focus of this game is that you experience a bit of everything.

So I will say again:

How about we all stop arguing and whining and find a productive solution? I submit that that solution would be to simply get over it and level a battle class to 25. Is it fair? Maybe, maybe not. Is it what you're going to have to do to get a Personal Chocobo for the time being? Yes. All this time and energy spent raging and whining about it could have been spent leveling a battle class to 25 and chances are you'd be done by now.

I did mention that Hand and Gathering Classes should get quests from Grand Companies in cohere with the caravan escort quests. It would make sense if those quests were tied together. Story-wise.

[Chezen]

After reading through the posts, I have a few thoughts.

I did read the comment Yoshi-P said about DoH/L taking a backseat to DoW/M. I don't recall there being a lot of objection to that... I didn't object myself. I don't see the crafters being able to participate in the big battles directly, and it makes sense to exclude those classes to make a better endgame battle for the warriors. But at the same time, I didn't get the impression that he was trying to end the idea of DoH/L classes as a viable choice of play altogether. In fact, the symbiotic relationship between the classes that he seems to be trying to create with the materia system, suggests differently.

I had no reason to think that DoL/H would be excluded entirely from the Grand Companies. Armies need supplies. Having some work for those classes, even if it takes a backseat to the attention DoW/M get from them, makes perfect sense to me. Although off topic, this is the bigger issue I see from Bayohne's post. I would like to know if DoH/L will really have no place in the Grand Companies, and, even if that is the case at this time, if Yoshi-P might not consider it in the future.

As for the chocobos... I agree that DoW/M content should be DoW/M content, and DoH/L content should be DoH/L content. But chocobos are a basic type of content that should be for everyone. A lot of people have been anticipating them. Including strict crafters as evidenced by this thread.

Having said that, to be clear, I am not advocating that anything should be changed for the next patch. I'm simply asking that Yoshi-san please consider this matter.

[Dreadnought]

Ohh snap, you've hit the nail on the head there!


Let's review--

Major new content implemented in v1.19: Materia and Chocobos

DoH exclusive players do not have immediate access to premier Chocobo content, they must work 1 DoW/M class to R25.

DoM/M exclusive players do not have immediate access to premier Materia content, they must work 1 DoH class to R18. (Or bribe another crafter to do it for them)

DoL exclusive players gain exclusive access to Materia catalysts, supplying crafters for a tidy profit.

Is it me, or did SE create an all-round timesink-o-fairness here?

Well played, SE. Well played.

this a thousand times this!!!

dont pay attention to chocobo whiners SE, the patch is realistic, caters to everyone one way or another and i just cant wait

[NoctisUmbra]

After reading through the posts, I have a few thoughts.

I did read the comment Yoshi-P said about DoH/L taking a backseat to DoW/M. I don't recall there being a lot of objection to that... I didn't object myself. I don't see the crafters being able to participate in the big battles directly, and it makes sense to exclude those classes to make a better endgame battle for the warriors. But at the same time, I didn't get the impression that he was trying to end the idea of DoH/L classes as a viable choice of play altogether. In fact, the symbiotic relationship between the classes that he seems to be trying to create with the materia system, suggests differently.

I had no reason to think that DoL/H would be excluded entirely from the Grand Companies. Armies need supplies. Having some work for those classes, even if it takes a backseat to the attention DoW/M get from them, makes perfect sense to me. Although off topic, this is the bigger issue I see from Bayohne's post. I would like to know if DoH/L will really have no place in the Grand Companies, and, even if that is the case at this time, if Yoshi-P might not consider it in the future.

As for the chocobos... I agree that DoW/M content should be DoW/M content, and DoH/L content should be DoH/L content. But chocobos are a basic type of content that should be for everyone. A lot of people have been anticipating them. Including strict crafters as evidenced by this thread.

Having said that, to be clear, I am not advocating that anything should be changed for the next patch. I'm simply asking that Yoshi-san please consider this matter.

Personally, I have nothing against DoH/L content being connected with Grand Companies - but as it stands by definition these companies emerged in response to the threat facing Eorzea. Every depiction of them is in the form of an army.

Although is true that armies need supplies, it is also true that joining the force of an army requires some basic level of combat training.

As far as chocobos being a basic type of content, nobody disagrees. The inclusion of rental chocobos is for that purpose. Through rentals everyone can partake in the use of chocobos. Grand Company issue chocobos are battle-oriented special chocobos issued by the companies to ranking members. It is premier content.

I wouldn't be against there being quests for DoH/L to assist the companies as far as story goes. I am, however, against the notion of a player being able to enlist in a Grand Company based on DoH/L levels.

[Linkurrra]

Allow Gathers to use their sneak ability to capture Wild Chocobo's to ride! Nuff said!