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  1. #1071
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    OneWingedSora's Avatar
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    Mala Liath
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    There is absolutely no way that number is attainable legitimately given his gear, composition and mechanics(quarantine). There are no "Maybe this guy is too good" arguments here, there is not much you can do to increase your DPS by that much if you aren't missing any casts and making the best use of your CDs. This game doesn't have that much complexity.

    I can't view the parse now but, something I have noticed before that in case an add explodes, the exhaustion damage is added your personal DPS. There were alot of runs where we wiped to exhaustion and my DPS skyrockted to 1600 on the wipe. I am speculating that maybe they tank LB'd that ? I can't view the log so they might have not even had exhaustion, its just speculation on my part.
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  2. #1072
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    Waliel Hla
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    Quote Originally Posted by valsemiel View Post
    Then I imagined he abused the aether stack mechanic from the Jagd Dolls where exploding your teammates adds like 300 DPS to your numbers in ACT, but again the max stacks received was 3. Is BLM naturally this dominant or is this run an anomaly?
    Is there even a debuff for four stacks or does it just explode immediately after getting hit by the fourth one, making three technically the highest you can get?
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  4. #1073
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    OneWingedSora's Avatar
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    Not even full on Diadem pieces would allow him to get 2.0 GCD in this current tier, like mentioned above, you would need something like 1600 spell speed which is simply not attainable at the moment even in full pink gear stacked with spell speed.
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  5. #1074
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    Philia Felice
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    Gilgamesh
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by valsemiel View Post
    Yeah, you can track the debuff in FFLogs. It's called Luminous Aetheroplasm. It'll even show you a chart of the max amount of stacks they reach. Here's one with 4 for example:
    Dave Clark Explodes.

    I distinctly remember the 1586 log had no one above 3 nor were there any deaths attributed to Exhaust, so I ruled that exploit out. As the log was recently hidden again, there's really no way to further scrutinize it and we can only wonder now. But from what I remember, the guy was able to cast ~20 more Fire IVs (around 115 total) than the #2 BLM with a longer kill time (12:16 vs 13:04), had 22% uptime on Foes and his Enochian uptime was at 90-91%.

    The first fact alone guarantees around 100-150+ DPS over his peers, but the frequency at which he was able to cast it vs. others was really strange based on what the posters above have said. Judging by his old lodestone stats, he had around 790 Spellspeed with 3 Diadem pieces, but I've seen people with way higher and they still casted less Fires than that guy. Either he's hiding multiple god-tier Diadem pieces and is the real deal (which I imagine can be likely) or there is something we're unable to see at play. It's just unfortunate he chose to hide his log.

    To be fair to the guy though, he did manage to post a 1475 A3S which is the highest without an AST. So I imagine if he's capable of this, having a top parse in A4S shouldn't be that far fetched.
    Just because he posted a crazy good other turn doesn't mean he's legit. 1475 A3S without AST is again somewhat (far less so than that A4S but still) far-fetched; it all comes down to his +20% casts over other BLMs, and I don't get how without a RIDICULOUS SS (one his lodestone has yet to show and may not even be physically possible anyway) or some glitched perma-Leylines/Arrow. No AST, no DRG, regular i210 stats should be topping out pretty close to low 1400s unless mega crits (or the entire team going AFK in add phase).

    I'm just gonna get rude here and say this guy has figured out how to snapshot Arrow or Leylines, and the fact that he let anyone in his group upload anything is foolish on his part. Unless someone can find out what set he's wearing to gain 1500+ SS, that's what I'm going to speculate on; you don't "will" your GCD to 2.0 in this game with love, hard work, and guts. If I'm wrong then that's unfortunate on my part and I apologize in advance.
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    Last edited by Sleigh; 02-15-2016 at 07:14 AM.

  6. #1075
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    Waliel Hla
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    He's doing his weird F1 4xF4 rotation in that, too. Even manages to get all four out before the first wash away.

    I wish I had 2.4s F4 casts -- 768 SS only puts me at 2.81. Is there actually any reason to to go F1 - F4x4 compared to the norm if you had enough SS to do that?
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  7. #1076
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    He's doing his weird F1 4xF4 rotation in that, too. Even manages to get all four out before the first wash away.

    I wish I had 2.4s F4 casts -- 768 SS only puts me at 2.81. Is there actually any reason to to go F1 - F4x4 compared to the norm if you had enough SS to do that?
    Right now, in 3.15, yes you gain about .5s a rotation by having no delay between Umbral Ice F3 and F1 compared to Umbral Ice F3 and F4, so he's gaining some time with that rotation for the same number of spells.

    In 3.2 even if such a SS is possible we won't want to do this as the delay won't be there.
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  8. #1077
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    He's doing his weird F1 4xF4 rotation in that, too. Even manages to get all four out before the first wash away.

    I wish I had 2.4s F4 casts -- 768 SS only puts me at 2.81. Is there actually any reason to to go F1 - F4x4 compared to the norm if you had enough SS to do that?
    Under Ley Lines F1-F4x4 seems to be achievable and might be slightly faster then a F4x2 > F1 >F4x2 or F3 > F4x3.

    I did this on dummy with like 820 Spell Speed. And under Ley Lines at 601 Spell Speed I was able to do F1 > F4x4 under Ley Lines but not on anything else.

    It would seem the FS proc is fished for and if gained you can maybe somehow get the Blizzard refresh and cast F3 for free and get the 4 F4's that way.

    Seems really tight.

    In 3.2 our spells cause procs on end of cast now so we might be able to do something with this. Not to mention our elemental attunement lasts 12 seconds instead of 10 now.
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  9. #1078
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    Is there actually any reason to to go F1 - F4x4 compared to the norm if you had enough SS to do that?
    It's going to do two major things:
    1 - Zero delay after casting F3 for the game to recognize that you are in AF, then tell your system that you are clear to cast F4
    2 - B3 will end without being in AF3. More damage, higher MP cost, interrupt if you didn't have the MP, might not have the MP to follow up with Thunder/B4
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  10. #1079
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    Lavitz Bale
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    Quote Originally Posted by valsemiel View Post
    To be fair to the guy though, he did manage to post a 1475 A3S which is the highest without an AST. So I imagine if he's capable of this, having a top parse in A4S shouldn't be that far fetched.
    Look closer, it has the same GCD as the A4S.
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  11. #1080
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    Sfia Pirion
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    Alright, I have a question to get us back on track. Has an optimal 2 target rotation been discovered? With double faust coming I'm wanting to know if it's even worth using flare.

    whoops double post
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