Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

[randysquirrel]

Hello, what is the BiS for BLM ? Is the guide at ffxivguild correct? I'm wondering if its worth overmelding crafted gear vs just getting the 240 or 230 counterparts..

I think I'll be going with this for the time being
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/U2DP

Note the accuracy comes in at 599, if it does turn out that it is indeed 600 (not sure it's been confirmed yet?), I'll prob have to swap round a couple of melds

[Maero]

@Nekotee that is your opinion, i am not 100% fully melded like i wanted as A) i hate bothering FC members each time i need melds, and B) i hate crafting
Besides this was a temporary thing for some of my melds as i had planned on swapping them out at a later time
Crafted gear is better then the lore (230) gear for many pieces.
I also can only spend so much tomes as i also play Ninja XD

[HaroldSaxon]

Melee range, then? I was in the back and ran out and back in during FS and Swift. Didn't lose any cast time doing that. The migration to EU servers, though. Managed to kill myself a couple of times to Protean, because the small lag I was used to was not there anymore and ran back in too early.

Pretty close to Melee range. I remember when the servers changed, tether swaps and pot animation lock was so much more smoother.

I think it was behind when you don't get TC and ahead when you get a TC. Can't remember by how much to either way, though. Just remember not to use it too often, no matter how shiny that button looks. It is a very shiny button, I'll give you that.

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Thats right - if you get a proc, it pulls ahead iirc. I've had pulls go with 3 Thundercloud procs before. There's certainly room to do it if you've got enough spellspeed and have Fey Wind.

[Garotte14]

@Nekotee that is your opinion, i am not 100% fully melded like i wanted as A) i hate bothering FC members each time i need melds, and B) i hate crafting
Besides this was a temporary thing for some of my melds as i had planned on swapping them out at a later time
Crafted gear is better then the lore (230) gear for many pieces.
I also can only spend so much tomes as i also play Ninja XD

To be clear, crafted gear is only better than lore gear on your way to 240. A full 240 BiS, while meeting the accuracy requirement does not include crafted pieces. I'm not sure if thats what you mean. Like the crafted chest is easily better than the Lore chest, but that doesn't mean its BiS. I'm sure you mean that, I just wanted to clarify.

My static just called it quits and I have transferred servers, but I'm hearing A8S acc cap is 594. If that is the case, than this should be the absolute BiS: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/U2TQ unless I'm missing something

[OneWingedSora]

To be clear, crafted gear is only better than lore gear on your way to 240. A full 240 BiS, while meeting the accuracy requirement does not include crafted pieces. I'm not sure if thats what you mean. Like the crafted chest is easily better than the Lore chest, but that doesn't mean its BiS. I'm sure you mean that, I just wanted to clarify.

My static just called it quits and I have transferred servers, but I'm hearing A8S acc cap is 594. If that is the case, than this should be the absolute BiS: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/U2TQ unless I'm missing something

Where is the math behind all i240 neck being better than crafted i220 neck pentamelded or the i230 lore ring over i240 midan one.

[Garotte14]

Where is the math behind all i240 necl being better than crafted i220 neck pentamelded or the i230 lore ring over i240 midan one.

Huh? Why would I compare the i230 Lore ring to the i240 midan ring? You have to wear one of each.

As far as the necklace is concerned, a pentamelded crafted necklace is not better than the Midan necklace. If you pentameld the necklace with all Tier V's you'd be looking at 51 intelligence, 46 acc, 36, Crit, 12 Det, and 44 SS. First, if you're using the stats weights on Ariyala as reference, there is no way in hell that Spell Speed weighs 0.413. That number is way too high. Its not even close to that. My caculations put it somewhere more around 0.275, which is still high for a stat weight this early into the expansion. So assuming the stat weights on Ariyala are correct with the exception of SS, thats 51 Int + (36 Crit * 0.206) + (12 Det * 0.172) + (44 SS * 0.275) = 72.58. The Midan neck would be 61 Int + (51 Crit * 0.206) + (12 SS * 0.275) = 74.806. And even if SS was weighed at something like 0.35 (which there is no way), it would put them about even, but with 10 less Accuracy. There is really no arguing this one. You can compare a crafted piece to a midan piece, and the crafted piece might even come out on top, but if you're taking accuracy into account, then you can't just look at a piece to piece comparison.

[OneWingedSora]

Huh? Why would I compare the i230 Lore ring to the i240 midan ring? You have to wear one of each.

As far as the necklace is concerned, a pentamelded crafted necklace is not better than the Midan necklace. If you pentameld the necklace with all Tier V's you'd be looking at 51 intelligence, 46 acc, 36, Crit, 12 Det, and 44 SS. First, if you're using the stats weights on Ariyala as reference, there is no way in hell that Spell Speed weighs 0.413. That number is way too high. Its not even close to that. My caculations put it somewhere more around 0.275, which is still high for a stat weight this early into the expansion. So assuming the stat weights on Ariyala are correct with the exception of SS, thats 51 Int + (36 Crit * 0.206) + (12 Det * 0.172) + (44 SS * 0.275) = 72.58. The Midan neck would be 61 Int + (51 Crit * 0.206) + (12 SS * 0.275) = 74.806. And even if SS was weighed at something like 0.35 (which there is no way), it would put them about even, but with 10 less Accuracy. There is really no arguing this one. You can compare a crafted piece to a midan piece, and the crafted piece might even come out on top, but if you're taking accuracy into account, then you can't just look at a piece to piece comparison.

Incorrect. You can wear the i240 lore ring and the non-upgraded i230 lore ring, which destroys the Midan ring.

Here is a comparison from the build you posted on the previous page vs the build I posted before(http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/U2VK)

Putting SSPD at 0.321, you would gain 10.926 int from build over yours.

Also, can I see the source data behind those spell speed calculations of yours ?

Hell, even with only 1 V overmeld , even with your spell speed weight of 0.275, which is just as unfounded as the weight of 0.413, this set still beats out yours(+5.55 int, and -22 piety) and it uses i230 ring+i220 necklace. realistically the gain is much higher because spell speed isn't that low, but even if we lean towards your side of the argument and go by your numbers, your set is still worse, and you're still wrong.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/U2VP

[Garotte14]

Snap

Cool. I don't mind being proven wrong, so not really any need to e-peen about it. I'm fine with having an adult discussion, and I misunderstood your comparison between the lore and Midan ring. No reason to get all bent out of shape.

[Waliel]

But it costs so much ;_;

[Milkbeard]

Hey, I've seen some blms melding a small amount of piety on their gear. Could anyone link me back to where this may have been discussed on this thread? Just how common is this? How worth it is it? Getting that thunder out?