The Mentoring Requirements... *Rant Style*

[Lemuria]

I understand what you're saying but the jobs of roles play very differently from each other and someone who specializes in Scholar, leveled Warrior, and Bard, will have a hard time helping a Paladin, Monk, or White Mage right?

Actually if anything, this only serves to show you don't actually know what you're talking about. The roles are the same, it's how they go about that role that differs. White Mage's and Scholar's are primarily healers, that means they manage they will prioritize their healing targets, before considering DPS. They'll begin to learn which skills are the heavy hitters, so they can time their spells to heal the tank or DPS after the hit lands. Good healers can also predict status ailments and remove them so quickly that the party member is none the wiser they were ever afflicted. You don't just teach skills like these, you learn them through experience.

A player who has played DPS knows that they need specific cardinal directions to utilize certain skills or abilities to their full extent. A player who has tanked, knows the best ways to recover from aggro loss and how to maintain it.

And the big one, a player who has played DPS, Healer and Tank has not only played three jobs, but a wide range of jobs. Know why? Because a successful player has gained cross-class skills from a variety of jobs, and will understand which skills benefit most. As a result, most players who have all three at level 60 will have a fundemental understanding of the other jobs, even if they have not capped them!

[CosmicKirby]

And the big one, a player who has played DPS, Healer and Tank has not only played three jobs, but a wide range of jobs. Know why? Because a successful player has gained cross-class skills from a variety of jobs, and will understand which skills benefit most.

This is a leap in logic. There's no requirement on which classes they need to 60 other than 1 of each role. DPS classes in particular might need Invigorate and Blood for Blood from LNC, Second Wind from PGL, and Raging/Quelling Strikes from ARC. Much less healers find great use in Swiftcast from THM. None of these skills are really required by any content listed as pre-reqs for being a mentor, so to assume a player has it isn't logical. They SHOULD have it, but there's no method to ensure they do and no real challenge that would force them to do so.

The rest of your argument was sound, but there's just no proof or requirement that Mentors grabbed the cross class skills they should have grabbed.

[Lemuria]

This is a leap in logic. ... They SHOULD have it, but there's no method to ensure they do and no real challenge that would force them to do so.

Sure, it's not mandatory, but anyone who has three level 60 jobs, has participated in over 1000 dungeons, and has anywhere near their 300 commendations almost certainly has cross-class skills. I'd strongly argue that anyone who managed to fulfill those requirements would not have been able to do so without them, since they'd be kicked off the team more often than not.

[Tint]

Sure, it's not mandatory, but anyone who has three level 60 jobs, has participated in over 1000 dungeons, and has anywhere near their 300 commendations almost certainly has cross-class skills. I'd strongly argue that anyone who managed to fulfill those requirements would not have been able to do so without them, since they'd be kicked off the team more often than not.

hu? i have done over 3700 dungeons and i have never seen someone being kicked because of a lack of cross-skills. not even the WAR tank in ultima hm without provoke was being kicked xD

[MilesSaintboroguh]

hu? i have done over 3700 dungeons and i have never seen someone being kicked because of a lack of cross-skills. not even the WAR tank in ultima hm without provoke was being kicked xD

People WILL complain if you lack certain cross class skills. It's expected for every healer and SMN to have Swiftcast so that they can insta rez people.

[Judah_Brandt]

People WILL complain if you lack certain cross class skills. It's expected for every healer and SMN to have Swiftcast so that they can insta rez people.

Uh, yeah, I've seen players in a level 60 duty wearing no job stone roleplaying an Archer, or the person who was an in-character Ice Mage in Neverreap. Even they didn't get kicked. Or the full Alliance yesterday in Void Ark who queued as a party without any job stones. Nobody got kicked. How you have time to focus on another player's actions, especially watching for something like Internal Release popping up on a Dragoon while doing your own thing is a bit wild. If you're watching that closely just to nitpick during regular dungeons I'd check yourself.

[PArcher]

hu? i have done over 3700 dungeons and i have never seen someone being kicked because of a lack of cross-skills. not even the WAR tank in ultima hm without provoke was being kicked xD

That was because Ultilma farming was before kicking was even in the game...

But yes, I've seen and kicked people for not having the right cross class skills. Not just because they don't have them, mind you, but their attitude towards them ("I don't need Swiftcast in Titan EX, even though my fairy is dead and I can't find time to resummon it")