Astrologian impossible to balance as it is

[Galdous]

I am not arguing for either. I was only giving my two bits to the topic at hand. And I have not done As3/4 because of my job and work schedule but when I did raid back in July and our group was on as1-as2 we was having the scholar dps about 80% of the time back then as well despite not being in pure farm mode or fully decked out in gear. *shrug* You spoke about healing for As3 and I found a video that showed it being 1 person healed. My apologies if you only want middle of the pack average raiders to be accepted examples and not proof it can be done despite it is still considered the high end raid of FF 14 at the moment.

Why do people still tout this bullshit argument? Just because some extremely highly skilled players are able to solo-heal a difficult fight doesn't mean that there's a fundamental problem with the fight or the meta. People have been doing this forever in MMORPGs, but only in this one have I ever seen people complain so much about it.

Do not be upset because people tout the argument since it is valid.. Please use a bit of grace in your retort.

[LegoTechnic]

I am not arguing for either. I was only giving my two bits to the topic at hand. And I have not done As3/4 because of my job and work schedule but when I did raid back in July and our group was on as1-as2 we was having the scholar dps about 80% of the time back then as well despite not being in pure farm mode or fully decked out in gear. *shrug* You spoke about healing for As3 and I found a video that showed it being 1 person healed. My apologies if you only want middle of the pack average raiders to be accepted examples and not proof it can be done despite it is still considered the high end raid of FF 14 at the moment.

I think you're vastly underestimating what was going on in that video, but your point is pretty valid for A1S and A2S. SCH is pretty much playing an off-healer role there, only healing for intense moments (double prey, doll and big gobtank phases, etc), but then you're still there because you're needed for the heals in those moments, even if you aren't healing the entire time. You're the WAR of healing, so flex those book muscles.

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Do not be upset because people tout the argument since it is valid..

Uh, it's not. That's my entire point. It's an invalid generalization from a niche group of extremely skilled players to the rest of the raiding population. Less than 1% of all raid groups will be able to do this in the foreseeable future. It's disingenuous and quite frankly complete and utter bullshit to assert that this has any impact on or tells us anything about the balance of the fight or the raiding meta in general.

[Galdous]

I am not arguing for either. I was only giving my two bits to the topic at hand. And I have not done As3/4 because of my job and work schedule but when I did raid back in July and our group was on as1-as2 we was having the scholar dps about 80% of the time back then as well despite not being in pure farm mode or fully decked out in gear. *shrug* You spoke about healing for As3 and I found a video that showed it being 1 person healed. My apologies if you only want middle of the pack average raiders to be accepted examples and not proof it can be done despite it is still considered the high end raid of FF 14 at the moment..

But yet you leave out that statement I made. I was merely stating that if the scholar is able to divulge time to dpsing for 80% of an encounter for half of the hardest raids then the strength of the healers was in question. And if I was to actually go find the astrologian that solo healed that to somehow support my side of the discussion would that magically make me right in your books? No I have not healed As3/As4. I never said that the healing was not hectic in 3/4 nor did I disagree with you Lego because I said I agree with you which you seem to leave out. What I said was the video exsist that shows it was accomplished after you stated do you know how hard it is to heal As3/4? I am oddly spending 5 posts wondering why someone is being defended for calling my initial posts as BS because only 1% the raid community can accomplish this feat. Why people are trying to argue something that I agree with it being a challenge for 99.99% of the playerbase I do not know.

If we want to go down that route what gives you the right to slander my opinion because I have not met your magical criteria? It is my opinion and I have already shown it only takes one healer to beat As3/As4. And on the side of whether or not the healer overgeared the fight is pointless when you can gear up outside of the raid off Esoteric gear and Void ark alone. If you had only the ability to hit 210 gear from As1-4 alone then that would be valid. But you could stay outside of As the entire experience then go in after you hit 205+ item level.

If you want to quote me then quote this next sentence. I agree that healing requirements in As3/As4 is heavily required. What I disagree on is it is somehow stupid to use that example when it still has been handled. And that google joke is not even an accurate depiction of what we are discussing. What does a joke about majority research vs minority research have to do with a video of proof that a fight that people say requires two strong healers being needed when it was shown 1 person was capable of? The same ratio is about the same for those who have seen As3/4 from those who have not seen it.

Well, no. Because the discussion went like:






Whatever came after that was beyond the topic at hand as it shifted to you trying to defend your ego of being called a gullible fool*. Now there's this thing about data and deviation. Sure, you want as much data included as possible and that particular solo heal scenario is part of it. But you can't make conclusions based on one outlier. Because if you were, you should look at those Titan EX/Garuda EX solo videos too and nothing could be cleared any more by any group except for the 0.1% best of the best players. So back to what LegoTechnic mentioned:



If you haven't done it and you've found ONE video that showed an extremely overgeared group solo heal something you haven't done yet, why are you taking it for granted? This is pretty much in line with the "if google was a guy" joke.


*The way I interpret this particular sentence:

But you are fond of analogies that does not even make sense in the context of the topic you respond with.