Machinist and Bard after 3.2

[Kuwagami]

With the planned lb changes, you probably won't see a triple melee setup anymore.

Why not ? a MCH/NIN/DRG/MNK setting is still possible with the new LB system

http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/7#bos...spec=Machinist

http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/7#bos...obal&spec=Bard

No?




I was unaware that a 90 DPS MINIMUM difference in DPS was small. Some people play the class to have fun, and that is fine. But for end game players who actually care about their numbers and small minor things such as proc timings, BRD is just out right better than MCH currently.

Also, you have a few end game players who regularly post on the forums.

yeah yeah.

What's fun with numbers, is that they totally ignore context. FFxiv is a group based game. Individual numbers don't mean anything.

[Ephier]

Individual numbers don't mean anything.

I think my head just exploded. Individual numbers mean a lot. If you yourself are not contributing, then you are a shackle for your group. Picking up as much slack on your side as you can will help alleviate issues on other things. I don't think people really understand that DPS makes the game go' round. Faster DPS means less damage taken, which means less healing needing to be done, which means resources do not need to be as heavily used. Individual DPS is just as important as caring for the group. Its when you cannot balance the two is when it becomes a problem.

[Kuwagami]

I think my head just exploded. Individual numbers mean a lot. If you yourself are not contributing, then you are a shackle for your group. Picking up as much slack on your side as you can will help alleviate issues on other things. I don't think people really understand that DPS makes the game go' round. Faster DPS means less damage taken, which means less healing needing to be done, which means resources do not need to be as heavily used. Individual DPS is just as important as caring for the group. Its when you cannot balance the two is when it becomes a problem.

Let me rephrase that : Individual numbers don't mean anything if you are to ignore all of the context around. Yeah the best of best machinists have 90 dps less than the bests of best bards. soooo, what ? Doesn't mean crap if that dps is more than enough to kill the duty.

Anyway, let's assume that would matter for a reason or an other. Context then : what about the other members in the group ? The best bard could have a DRG with them while the best MCH doesn't. Bam here is a difference. Or a ninja. Bam, an other difference. Differences that your individual number totally fails to take into consideration.

Also, there is time spent in quarantine (dps loss because you aren't hitting anything during the transfer to the quarantine chamber), if they were chosen to die to pentacles or not, etc etc...

And after all that, individual numbers fail to take into consideration the dps increase to the other members of the raid. That machinist will increase the dps of all the physical jobs. Depending on the party set up, that coudl amount to more than what a bard would bring.

That's what I mean by "individual numbers don't mean anything". Else noone would ever bring ninjas, because DRG and MNK have more individual dps right ?


edit : don't take me wrong though. MCH is slightly sup-performing compared to BRD, I agree. I really just want to point out that parsers should be used with more care on how you handle the data

[Myon88]

Yeah the best of best machinists have 90 dps less than the bests of best bards. soooo, what ? Doesn't mean crap if that dps is more than enough to kill the duty.

If you're comparing two classes against each other, then obviously you want to look at the numbers - in which case 90 DPS is still 90 DPS. That's the whole point of having that conversation, you wouldn't go watch a race and go "Ah it doesn't matter who finished first, they both finished close enough".

what about the other members in the group ? The best bard could have a DRG with them while the best MCH doesn't. Bam here is a difference. Or a ninja. Bam, an other difference. Differences that your individual number totally fails to take into consideration.

Also, there is time spent in quarantine (dps loss because you aren't hitting anything during the transfer to the quarantine chamber), if they were chosen to die to pentacles or not, etc etc...

If you're comparing relative MCH and BRD parses on FFlogs, it's fairly reasonable to assume that the entries you find for both have the same amount of variance in those areas. There's no particular reason to believe otherwise, the top ranks are full of optimized raid compositions and people that have those fights on farm - and the logs themselves have been undergoing natural selection for months now, only the best ones are up there.