There's a special place in hell for DF tanks who hesitate after running toward a boss

[technole]

To be honest I dislike comments like these. When dungeouns are slow, people are quick to blame the dps. Why aren't they doing their best, why aren't they pulling their weight. Yes, there are the lazy ones, but when the dps want to go fast and do their best, you have the non-caring tank. (Not that you have said this, but just merely pointing it out. Again not attacking you, just using your comment in my argument.)

Yep, pretty much blanket tank statements like that already say they are not end-game raid material if they don't have the decency to understand the ready check, or the decency to care for the fact that some jobs have big openers that require several cooldowns to be used at-once to properly maximize. I'm sure some tanks that posted here don't even know that Raging Strikes is a 180s cooldown that SMN/BLM/BRD/MCH uses. Letting that run dry before a pull means it won't be back up for that add burn phase that they probably even yelled at a DPS before for not being fast enough on.

It doesn't matter if it's a dungeon or not, any tank can be a viking star if they learn to accommodate for the party and not be seflish. On the flip-side I do think on an overall scale, Warriors understand the importance of a pull on DPS than other tanks that don't play the job. Mainly because of Infuriate and handling wrath/abandon stacks. It's a DPS and possible max threat loss letting five-stacks fall off for Unchained.

[Ashkendor]

Yep, pretty much blanket tank statements like that already say they are not end-game raid material if they don't have the decency to understand the ready check, or the decency to care for the fact that some jobs have big openers that require several cooldowns to be used at-once to properly maximize.

You clearly are responding to the single line that person quoted instead of the entirety of my post when you say this; it was taken completely out of context. Me not using my pull macro in dungeons has nothing to do with whether or not I'm endgame raid material and everything to do with running into way too many impatient people that can't even wait 10 seconds for the macro to finish running. It's happened way too many times, so I just don't even bother with it anymore unless I'm in a premade or a raid.

I'm sure some tanks that posted here don't even know that Raging Strikes is a 180s cooldown that SMN/BLM/BRD/MCH uses. Letting that run dry before a pull means it won't be back up for that add burn phase that they probably even yelled at a DPS before for not being fast enough on.

As someone that plays several different classes including DPS classes, I have a full understanding of how important a strong opener is to overall DPS. That doesn't mean that I should pull to preserve the Monk's stacks when the healer's lagging behind, though. My point was that DPS stacks are not the only deciding factor on whether the party is ready to pull. Some of them act like it is.

It doesn't matter if it's a dungeon or not, any tank can be a viking star if they learn to accommodate for the party and not be seflish. On the flip-side I do think on an overall scale, Warriors understand the importance of a pull on DPS than other tanks that don't play the job. Mainly because of Infuriate and handling wrath/abandon stacks. It's a DPS and possible max threat loss letting five-stacks fall off for Unchained.

It's not about being selfish or accomodating. All things being equal, I'd rather use my pull macro. I get it, people like to do big deeps and they want those strong openers. I want a strong opener too. The problem is, half of the time one of the DPS (or even the OT, depending on whether it's 4 or 8 man content) ends up pulling halfway thru my pull macro and I just end up spamming text and sounds while we're already fighting. Hell, some of them don't even wait for the ready check to be completed before rushing in.

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

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As someone that plays several different classes including DPS classes, I have a full understanding of how important a strong opener is to overall DPS. That doesn't mean that I should pull to preserve the Monk's stacks when the healer's lagging behind, though. My point was that DPS stacks are not the only deciding factor on whether the party is ready to pull. Some of them act like it is……

Wait, you mean this is a TEAM GAME? There are other people in the DF run to also consider??? GTFO /end sarcasm


I care most about my healer, as they keep me and everyone else upright. If they need mana, or are applying buffs, it is for the betterment of everyone. Sit tight, but start revving your engines DD’s.

The problem is, there are some players who think standing in front of the boss for more than 2 seconds is going to crush the entire timer on that dungeon run. I find, more often than not, that DD’s get annoyed in a dungeon when a ready check is popped, let alone a pull macro that is more than 5 seconds. (resulting in a lot of DD pulls of bosses). ***Don’t take this like I’m promoting sitting on your thumbs for 30 seconds either. There is balance to be had.

IMO every single person in every type of run needs to be accomodating, at some stage.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Let's not forget tank who wait for the SCH adlo to fade before pulling...
Even moooore frustrating when it was a crit !

This makes me so angry, I just want to stand there and let them die.

[Canadane]

And a Tomahawk/Shield Lob means "First thing to kill" Not, divide and conquer. But hey somehow we make do. We all make mistakes, sometimes repeatedly, for 30 whole minutes. BUT HEY, when life gives you lemons, you sell them in Canada because fruits and vegetables are going for a ridiculous price right now, like $7 for cauliflower. WHO EATS CAULIFLOWER ANYWAYS?!? That's right, NO ONE.

I actually just did this in Dusk Vigil on my Pld. I noticed last second the whm wasn't in the boss area and wasn't sure if he was ninja afk or not so i like ran ahead and stopped mid way to Babar (sick 90's cartoon reference bra!).

Hell is where all the fun people are anyways, and warm people... I live in Canada, and my feet are cold, so I approve of your message!

Well said. Babar was the babbomb.

[Lunaxia]

Or using Suiton when waiting on the other 2-6 party members.

We tend to do this so that TA will be ready on pull, FYI.

[Jim_Berry]

Under normal circumstance, if the group is sticking close by me each time we are moving to the next group of adds, if everyone is healthy while approaching the boss room, I keep running without stopping. Otherwise, I stop just inside the boss room entrance and wait. If no one is moving, I pull.

However, sometimes, JUST as I get in aggro sight while running towards the boss, someone says, "Hold on!"

[Awful]

Honestly, as a tank I don't keep track of the status of DPS and their various stacks. I do keep track of whether or not the healer is casting on me. We're talking about Duty Finder content here and frankly, I don't care about your parser numbers in St. Mocianne's Arboretum. When I'm doing actual raid content in a Party Finder, I ready check and use a pull macro so DPS can get strong openers.

As a tank you should be knowing who's casting what/using what/dpsing what as it makes all our jobs as a collective team that much easier, if someone in my random DF dungeon is for example an ice mage or a bard just casting heavy shot and straight shot not using over half their tool kit I will call them out on it. When I run with my friends (who main a monk, a smn and a healer either sch/ast/whm) we're always on voip making sure that my monk friend has III stacks of greased lightning and my smn friend can bahamut trance > tri disaster > contagion > Bane on big pulls.

Do I demand it? No. Is it the end all be all? No. Dungeons aren't stressful so why make them? I run the way I run with my friends because i'm tired of lazy, entitled, whiney dps that aren't ready, I worry about tanking 90% of the time but the other 10% it's what are my DPS doing? Are they getting these abilities off? How can I help through positioning?

I do however agree with your point about trigger happy DPS those are a no go for me as they try to run the dungeon when it's us tanks who decide the pace of them, I like to mass pull but if our group isn't AoE heavy don't pull as much. Simple. There are no DPS checks just I guess i'd call them nuisance mechanics?

Tldr; Pull how you want to i'm not advocating that DPS should go ham and pull things when they have 3-5 seconds left on their buffs tanks make that decision which is why I main a tank and for good reason I decide the way the dungeons pulled just like many other main tanks out there that feel the same way.

[Awful]

One day, a monk complained to me because his GL fell off inbetween two packs of enemies in a dungeon.
I didn't even stop inbetween these two mob packs, so I explain to him that I actually went as fast as I could, and that I even started to continue moving when the last mob was a few hits away from dying.

His answer: "lol u need to learn how 2 use sprint noob tank".

Since that day, I pull whenever I want and I don't care.

That is what I call one greasy monk lol that's his fault on him not you, you did your job he didn't prioritize his stacks. And you should pull how you want and don't think twice about it you're pacing the dungeon and taking all the hits not him.

[Kaeoni]

I'm dying xD +1 fellow Canucklehead.

Yay! Now there are like 2 whole Canadians who play FFxiv!

Well said. Babar was the babbomb.

RIGHT!?! *high five for childhoods!* The best kind of hood.