Tanks using their enmity combo while being OT

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

@instrumentality - Define your statement of an "extra" emnity combo. PLD is not built like DRK, where it can practically ignore that combo for 95%+ of a boss fight. I stated that I use it at most once out of every 3 sets (RoH > Goring > RA) during a physical damage heavy encounter. I use it less on a magic heavy encounter, and never as OT

If you consider the use of RoH at anypoint after the opener as "extra" then, yes your statement is correct.

[HoodRat]

But none of what you said has anything to do with what I said?

https://youtu.be/tqNhEzrWQpY

[RecklessLion]

Wait what.......? I'm reading thenjoy thread and yall saying to not use path but only for tank busters? Just so you can do insane damage. Woooow the logic isn't sitting with me very well. I keep path on less damage for me, the tank, and everyone else, makes healing me that much easier and both me and the healer can dps which means more damage. You do know this is a team effort not just the OT dps. Like 10% mitigation is better then 0 mitigation point blank. I don't use bb combo for the most part not as a ot. Not trying to steal aggro so I can feel good about my dps. I would just play dps for that matter. I definitely don't berserk with bb unless I'm low on the aggro chart.

[Syzygian]

My favorite part is that Path is touted as one of the biggest selling points of WAR and yet *some* (not all!) of them avoid using it at all costs, and then you wind up with lolReprisalRequiresParryProc being on the boss more than Path (by a large margin too).

[AI_wass]

To be fair, the argument there is that Path is reliable damage reduction on hand, when you need it; whereas Reprisal's tricky to force at best.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

Snip.

People recognize path has its uses, and it should be used liberally. But in content where every bit of DPS matters, good tanks and healers shouldn't need to rely on having path up fulltime. By your logic, yes it should hold true, but in raid/trial encounters, path should only be used when needed, not because the MT can't keep hate.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Reprisal is on the boss more because it's literally more DPS, not because it's mitigation. Reprisal is an off global ability that inflicts 210 potency of damage with no other cost besides needing a parry proc. Of course it's gonna be up more than a move that's a straight DPS loss except for those situations when it can prevent a raid wipe, most often during progression raiding.

Storm's Path being a selling point was news to me up until Heavensward, despite picking it up in 2.0 for a bit. It wasn't even until I started browsing the forums that I noticed people claiming it was the greatest thing ever, and yet I have never found any particular reason to use it in most content, except while leveling 38-49 for it's minor self heal when I saw the healer was having a hard time for whatever reason. Warrior's selling point back then was Inner Beast.

[Fyce]

@instrumentality - Define your statement of an "extra" emnity combo. PLD is not built like DRK, where it can practically ignore that combo for 95%+ of a boss fight. I stated that I use it at most once out of every 3 sets (RoH > Goring > RA) during a physical damage heavy encounter. I use it less on a magic heavy encounter, and never as OT

If you consider the use of RoH at anypoint after the opener as "extra" then, yes your statement is correct.

Each time you use RH (would it be in your opener or anywhere in the fight), the only question you'd have to ask yourself is "why can't I do a RA instead?".
If the answer is:
a)because the WAR OT won't apply SP, so I need to keep RH debuff,
b)because the WAR OT's Butcher's block will generate too much enmity, so I need to generate more,
... then it's a potency loss for the group in either cases, not even accounting the fact that RH debuff is worse than SP.

Same line of thinking applies to "why can't I be in Sword oath right now?". If it's because of BB from the OT WAR, then it's a problem and a great loss for the group.


Of course, if it's not any of these very few and specific cases, then it's probably fine.

[Canadane]

If you're having enmity issues, perhaps you should be the OT and let the warrior MT.

[Instrumentality]

Of course, if it's not any of these very few and specific cases, then it's probably fine.

This guy gets it.


Like in my raid I have a planned out set of enmity combos on a boss in each phase and know generally how much threat my healer(s) is going to generate. Any extra I have to use on Paladin OR Dark Knight is a straight damage loss. Warriors doing BB/SE for extended periods of time does more enmity than what I have planned and is a straight raid dps loss to correct for.

And yes I have cleared savage turns on both Paladin and Dark Knight.