Goad - the ability that doesn't exist

[DragonSlayer45]

I use Goad, but I hate the whiners who act like I can use Goad every 30 seconds. I can only buff one, which is why I have a priority: PLD/DRK > WAR > other DPS who use TP.

[Waeksyn]

I do play PLD and find if I get low on TP, i recover using flash to keep the hate. In long fight situation, I could use a goad but it's not critical. I never need it in a regular dungeon (unlike War who could use it in the same big pull situations that stresses brd aoe).

On BRD I use invigorate, keep my dots up, play songs etc. I use the dots only in situations where the mobs will be alive long enough for it to make a difference.

All of this aside, how is any of this "you aren't play brd right" an excuse for Nin doing their job? Excuse me if I don't join your race to the bottom.

[Lan_Mantear]

I do play PLD and find if I get low on TP, i recover using flash to keep the hate. In long fight situation, I could use a goad but it's not critical. I never need it in a regular dungeon (unlike War who could use it in the same big pull situations that stresses brd aoe).

On BRD I use invigorate, keep my dots up, play songs etc. I use the dots only in situations where the mobs will be alive long enough for it to make a difference.

All of this aside, how is any of this "you aren't play brd right" an excuse for Nin doing their job? Excuse me if I don't join your race to the bottom.

I find that the wars that quickly run out of TP are also abusers of overpower. I have the opposite experience. Except for very rare occasions, I feel that war has near limitless tp. But when on DRK and especially PLD, the TP pool runs dry on long drawn-out fights. Even on something as simple as Trial Roullete. PLD TP can run low when MT.

[Lambdafish]

I do play PLD and find if I get low on TP, i recover using flash to keep the hate.

I don't have the numbers, but I'm pretty sure using flash to restore TP is a bigger DPS loss than the BRD using Paeon, as flash doesnt do any damage, its much better for the party to give it to a PLD than a BRD because BRD should NEVER need it.

You AOE to around 300 or so TP, pop invigorate, AOE to around mid TP and cast paeon, and AOE until invigorate is back up, which you said you are doing, so I have no idea where you even need a goad.

As others have said, you could always ask if there is a spare goad going around, but you should use your own utility first, as that is what others are expecting.

[Waeksyn]

...its much better for the party to give it to a PLD than a BRD because BRD should NEVER need it.
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As others have said, you could always ask if there is a spare goad going around, but you should use your own utility first, as that is what others are expecting.

As I've said in my posts, I do use the other utilities.

You are correct that brd, or for that matter anybody, doesn't NEED goad. Lots of parties complete dungeons without a single nin in the party at all! Amazing!

It is, though, no excuse to not use the abilities you have to benefit the party. When I see myself with <200 TP, invigorate already used, all other party members at 800 TP+, no goad on anyone (and no goad cast at all in the entire raid), I got to wonder.

The main problem with Goad is that it does nothing for the Ninja, therefore, why use it?

[MugenMugetsu]

...I use the dots only in situations where the mobs will be alive long enough for it to make a difference...

Wind Bite + Venomous Bite must be on the mob for maximum Sidewinder damage....

[Ephier]

I use Goad, but I hate the whiners who act like I can use Goad every 30 seconds. I can only buff one, which is why I have a priority: PLD/DRK > WAR > other DPS who use TP.

Why on earth would warrior need a goad. They are like the TP sustain gods at the moment.

[DragonSlayer45]

Why on earth would warrior need a goad. They are like the TP sustain gods at the moment.

I can count the amount of times I've seen a DF WAR switch to Deliverance for Equilibrium TP restore on one hand.

[Artemiz]

Why on earth would warrior need a goad. They are like the TP sustain gods at the moment.

During lower levels it can be a god send before WAR gets some of it's higher level toys to play with. At lower levels Berserk + Bloodbath + Overpower spam can be a great way to deal with a big or nasty pull, several SV pulls spring to mind, so does the big pull in the first zone of DD. I used that combo in many of the HW dungeons too as it's so effective, especially if the healer isn't the best. I haven't leveled NIN yet but when I do as soon as I see a WAR go into OP spam he's getting Goad.

[Eight]

I use mine all the time but tank always takes priority no matter what. If I see a tank is nearing 50% then I hold it for the tank, if the tank knows how to manage themselves then others can have it.

I've been see a lot of tanks lately who blow through their TP like it's nothing and Goad has such a long cool down that I don't chance it because if the tank drops down and runs out then the party is screwed.

Really it's based on the party and how well people play their classes and since I mostly DF stuff it's always different but I'm always checking the other players, it's just a shame it has such a long cool down.

I use Goad, but I hate the whiners who act like I can use Goad every 30 seconds. I can only buff one, which is why I have a priority: PLD/DRK > WAR > other DPS who use TP.

lol yep, it's like I'm not Oprah I can't give everyone a free goad.