Thank you SE!

[Arienal]

It's pretty heavily flawed, like alot of DD jobs post-HW. Brd, Mch, Blm, Drg, and Mnk are all now heavily penalized for moving. in a dodge-based, mechanics-heavy game..where 90% of content is a damage check and you fail for not meeting the damage..its like SEs left hand doesnt know what the right is doing.

Want a game thats heavily into mechanics and is reactionary? thats fine. Want a game thats got complex rotations and needs 100% constant applications without interruption? A-OK.

But they do not go together..its like oil and water, both are just fine on their own, but they do.not.mix.

[Vlady]

The only two jobs I know that is not truly penalized for movement is summoner and ninja. I believe fights are not suppose to be centered around all the DD's having 100% upkeep time on dps. That was why the bard was changed makes believe that. And bard is heads over heels in a better spot then a machinist who has to manage procs, mini cooldowns and a stupid charge up mechanic that requires most burst in the window frame to maximize damage along with proper turret placement for mediocre dps on par with a paladin and tanks. Be glad you are not a mechanist.

[Arienal]

See, that'd make sense if they also didnt make 90% of content little more than dps checks. when they make you not only fight against the enemy, its mechanics, AND your own job abilities...then make you auto-wipe for not doing enough damage..Unless you're in the top 0.5% of hardcore endgame raiders, you're just SOL until you outgear the content. By that point, good luck finding anyone whose still interested in it. They've gone and pissed all over 90% of the player base so the top few find things more of a 'challenge'.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

And bard is heads over heels in a better spot then a machinist who has to manage procs, mini cooldowns and a stupid charge up mechanic that requires most burst in the window frame to maximize damage along with proper turret placement for mediocre dps on par with a paladin and tanks. Be glad you are not a mechanist.

Not the Best Machinist, but defintly up there. People just need to get better.

They've gone and pissed all over 90% of the player base so the top few find things more of a 'challenge'.

SE Thought the playerbase was better than it actually is. They didn't tune it up because they top players were asking for it, a lot of the midcore people, myself included wanted to see the stuff get a bit tougher as well, but in the end, it took my entire raid group being i208/209 to beat A3S and its ridiculous DPS check. We got what we asked for, and the humble pie came back to bite us in the ass. Live and learn

[StrejdaTom]

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Actually, I cannot agree with you.
In my opinion BRD is only being penalized for moving too much. I still can move at 80% of cast and then whole GCD which is more than enough for dodging all the AoEs, if there are mechanics which need more movement I can put Feint instead of Heavy Shot for one GCD and if there is even more movement (taking debuff from tank in A3s, moving to laser or feeding add at A4s) I can still turn my WM off.
I have played both MMOs that were rotation heavy but mostly stationary and MMOs that required lots of moving, but had no depth in rotations. For me both types were really boring. I enjoy that I have to master my rotation and keep calm even while I have lots of AoEs and mechanics thrown at me. If all the fights were either DPS heavy or Mechanics/AoE heavy I don't really think it would be challenging to me.

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SE Thought the playerbase was better than it actually is. They didn't tune it up because they top players were asking for it, a lot of the midcore people, myself included wanted to see the stuff get a bit tougher as well, but in the end, it took my entire raid group being i208/209 to beat A3S and its ridiculous DPS check. We got what we asked for, and the humble pie came back to bite us in the ass. Live and learn

I am not in the team that is saying that AS is too hard and I think what people mostly wanted was more midcore content rather than harder raid. As I see it SE only wanted to slap groups who cleared coil so fast and they slapped everyone else instead.
We have faceroll easy stuff, then we have Thordan and then Savage. They should rather focus on the difficulty between faceroll and Thordan and keep raids somewhere between Coil and Alex Savage.
It wouldn't really hurt people if we had 1 faceroll dungeon and 1 harder dungeon that would require people to actually play, the only thing that could happen would be overall improvement of FFXIV audience.

[RiceisNice]

Not the Best Machinist, but defintly up there. People just need to get better.

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SE Thought the playerbase was better than it actually is.

1.1k is actually a relatively low number compared to others that can hit around 1.2k or higher depending on the fight. Nor does it really account for the problem that brd is still typically better with better raid dps from full.


As for savage, they have already admitted that they had overturned it more than they had liked, and the clear rates, the numerical requirement and even accepted clear strategy for a4s shows it. I'm sure you needed to push out some form of healer dps at i208 to meet the checks, even after your 6th clear where you can one shot through the mechanics

[Vlady]

Didn't say machinist could not do decent damage. It is the amount of management compared to the bard that is an insult. Yout have a lot tougher rotation then bard for bringing worse utility and dps.

[aabe]

As someone with ADHD and inability to adapt I personally cannot stand WM and my already sub-optimal DPS got even worse since this skill was added, it's all SE's fault. I can't even do DPS while moving and I can't move AT ALL with WM up and I'm just a turret. So boring and stupid, SE.

[aabe]

Didn't say machinist could not do decent damage. It is the amount of management compared to the bard that is an insult. Yout have a lot tougher rotation then bard for bringing worse utility and dps.

I really have always wondered what this mythical management and difficult rotation is that every MCH is such a diva over, it's rather boring outside of opener/3 minute bursts. I find it easier to manage than BRD and I've mained BRD since launch.

[Greedalox]

As someone with ADHD and inability to adapt

it's all SE's fault.

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