Endgame DRG Armor

[Nominous]

Why is everyone so quick to want to throw more money? Given the option of including it in game or mogshop, as a developer I'd go with Mogshop every single time I saw threads like this.

Because people enjoy supporting what they like (or love). It's actually not a foreign concept, you know. Not to mention, for every service, there deserves compensation. We already get free outfits and such as sub rewards every few months, too.

You can pay 15 bucks a month for a gym membership that has access to all their facilities, but that doesn't mean you get Gatorade and protein bars for free. Sub MMO's don't really operate much differently, and I'd say you shouldn't take for granted the freebies we already do get.

[Jynx]

you shouldn't take for granted the freebies we already do get.

World has changed since my time. It's a crazy world out there full of crazy people.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

and I'd say you shouldn't take for granted the freebies we already do get.

Nothing in this game is free, all should be granted to me by just buying it and keeping my subscription up.
Microtransactions are the cancer of the gaming industry from gamers perspective, saying that you love it is simply a justification to your probably mental condition of impulsive consumism.

... "Support" like this is what encourages and allows games like evole or any EA piece of year trash exist... And more encouragin of it on this forums, which is 1 thread too much already will end up being hurt full for all the player base. Sadly all the bad signs are showing, sooner or later we will see materia packs, and top tier tomestone gear on the cash shop just because some people "loves to support". Stop it. You are bad. Microtransactions are bad. Cash Shops are bad.

[TheUltimateSeph]

Nothing in this game is free, all should be granted to me by just buying it and keeping my subscription up.
Microtransactions are the cancer of the gaming industry from gamers perspective, saying that you love it is simply a justification to your probably mental condition of impulsive consumism.

... "Support" like this is what encourages and allows games like evole or any EA piece of year trash exist... And more encouragin of it on this forums, which is 1 thread too much already will end up being hurt full for all the player base. Sadly all the bad signs are showing, sooner or later we will see materia packs, and top tier tomestone gear on the cash shop just because some people "loves to support". Stop it. You are bad. Microtransactions are bad. Cash Shops are bad.

1. No. The cash shop stuff is extra stuff aside from your subscription. Just because you pay for the sub doesn't automatically entitle you to free cash shop items whenever they are added.

2. I never said I "love" it but I do like the ability to buy OPTIONAL COSMETIC items from the cash shop and saying this means I have a mental condition is retarded in itself.

3. No one is making you buy items from the cash shop. I'm soooo sorry for your unbearable pain.

4. No. As of now the cash shop is purely COSMETIC with no indication whatsoever that it will ever change.

5. Lol It's an open forum. Me using it to ask for a glamour is bad? No.

6. Micro transactions and cash shops are another way for the company to turn a profit and keep the game running. I fail to see how this is bad?!?

[Nalien]

6. Micro transactions and cash shops are another way for the company to turn a profit and keep the game running. I fail to see how this is bad?!?

Well, I'm sure some SE executive type is looking at FFXIV, looking at the massive amounts of money they draw in from the cash shop, and going "Why should we waste money hiring content designers to make better content for the game? Just paint that mount another colour and charge for it".

Seriously, I'd love to see the profits SE gets from the cash shop, stuff like the Magitek Mounts and Scion outfits are existing assets, there was no cost involved in their creation (or very little, for painting the Magitek mount red, and giving Minfilias outfit to all races). They're charging 15$ (or whatever) for what exactly? The right to have it? It certainly didn't cost them anything extra to make, considering they've been around since 2.0 (for the white Magitek mount, 1.0 if you want to split hairs over the Scions outfits). It's pure profit for them, and you just know someone higher up the corporate chain is wanting to cash in on that, rather than cash in on quality content. Quality content takes time and money to produce, two things which seemingly didn't go into something like Diadem...

[TheUltimateSeph]

Well, I'm sure some SE executive type is looking at FFXIV, looking at the massive amounts of money they draw in from the cash shop, and going "Why should we waste money hiring content designers to make better content for the game? Just paint that mount another colour and charge for it".

I refer you to point 3 in my last post. 3. No one is making you buy items from the cash shop.

I really didn't think this thread would turn into some kind of argument as to why the cash shop is bad or shouldn't exist in the first place. Guess I should have known better. Cmon guys bring on the hate some more. It feeds me.

The last two sentences were sarcasm in case you missed it.

[Nalien]

I refer you to point 3 in my last post. 3. No one is making you buy items from the cash shop.

I never suggested anyone was making me buy from the cash shop... Here's the thing though; People do buy from the cash shop.

Why should SE care if I quit, for example. I'm only paying the standard subscription fee. Who cares though, they can just paint the Magitek mount purple, slap it on the cash shop, and the remaining people who do purchase from the cash shop have covered the loss of my subscription fee, and then some.

Though, with something like this games piss-poor inventory and glamour system... I kinda do need to pay for an extra retainer at this point... We can ignore that though, the issue with cash shops is that some people do not like the idea of being milked for profit in that way. Sure, we can not purchase from it, but someone who is fine with being milked will. Who does SE care more about retaining as a subscriber? The player paying the standard subscription fee, or the players throwing cash at them for painting mounts different colours? It's a no brainer, really.

Honestly, I begrudgingly tolerated the cash shop, but when they throw something like Diadem out... Well, then I start to have concerns over the future of this game... Like they care about my opinion though, they're getting less money out of me than someone who wants a green ADS ball, or whatever they release to the cash shop next...

[Rhodkr]

Seriously, I'd love to see the profits SE gets from the cash shop, stuff like the Magitek Mounts and Scion outfits are existing assets, there was no cost involved in their creation (or very little, for painting the Magitek mount red, and giving Minfilias outfit to all races). They're charging 15$ (or whatever) for what exactly? The right to have it? It certainly didn't cost them anything extra to make, considering they've been around since 2.0 (for the white Magitek mount, 1.0 if you want to split hairs over the Scions outfits.

I bolded what I don't agree with. Just because an NPC has access to certain gear doesn't mean that gear is separate from the NPC model. (Npcs don't have a need to change said gear, however I don't know what system SE has in place for their NPCs). Some artist(s) did put their time into making the pieces of gear for the other races.The way modeling works is that you can't simply hit a button and have that gear magically flip to the size for a given race. The textures on said peice would be a mess! No, some artists job was to model out the different outfits for each races body type (the different heights are probably attributed to blend shapes). So unless that artist is working for free, then SE did pay that persons salary.

Now that is if the gear wasn't already in the game. Thancreds body piece is the yellow custom tunic you get from the level 5 rogue quest, just not dyable. Other bits and pieces can be found throughout the game of the other Scions, just about the only one whose gear can't be found is Minfillia. Because the gear comes from existing gear with just different ways to apply the aether scope thingy they use, that's what has me split. This won't happen again do to the new looks of the Scions but well... Most of the gear did exist, so it boiled down to some repurposing and retexturig existing gear.

This is why I actually haven't spent a dime on the cash shop. I get conflicted about things like the above, and with the items being priced as high as they are, I don't really want to spend it. ($10 for glamour enterprising players could make on their own, and $5 for minions.) To be fair hiding the retainer situation doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth either. (I've had to toss out so many pieces of 'glamour' and green dungeon gear just so I'd have space to put other things.)

[Ilitsa]

Sadly all the bad signs are showing, sooner or later we will see materia packs, and top tier tomestone gear on the cash shop just because some people "loves to support". Stop it. You are bad.

I was in agreement with your post until this part. Then you just became a condescending prick. Good job. Once someone resorts to calling someone else "bad" because they think a different way, that person loses any and all respect and credibility in my eyes.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Nothing in this game is free, all should be granted to me by just buying it and keeping my subscription up.
Microtransactions are the cancer of the gaming industry from gamers perspective, saying that you love it is simply a justification to your probably mental condition of impulsive consumism.

Communism? Starting to think, like fascism, most people don't know what it means. They make the item, they chose its price, and chose how they sell it. Your choice is to buy it or not buy it. That my friend is Capitalism in a nutshell. If it made no money it wouldn't be done. If it makes a lot of money it gets more/continued support. The Mog Station falls into the later.

Well, I'm sure some SE executive type is looking at FFXIV, looking at the massive amounts of money they draw in from the cash shop, and going "Why should we waste money hiring content designers to make better content for the game? Just paint that mount another colour and charge for it".

That is easily as backwards as the communism comment considering it's the same development teams making all the items in the cash shop that make the respective ingame items. And it's not like data just autonomously assembles its self into cash shop items. The Devs have it develop it to. As far as development time they pick one of three choices after deciding "We're going to make <Insert item here>" they add it to the core game, they add it to the veteran rewards system, or they add it to the cash shop. nothing is lost in development here.

At least this cash shop doesn't sell required quest items or OP "Premium Gear" like some other MMOs. (Looking at you D&D Online)

Those loyalty "rewards" aren't a pay to us back with freebies for being loyal, they're a way to keep people subscribing even when they're not interested in the game. "Oh, it's only $15 a month... if I unsub I might be even more behind in these reward." (source: myself and my friends, friends of friends, past experiences with MMOs that use a similar system, and so on).

6 of one half a dozen of the other really. They are rewards for prolonged subscriptions to act as incentives for continually subscribing long term. The fact that you unsub for about 2 months without visiting your housing plot and it getting demoed and the plot resold is the only actual punishment for unsubbing.