Endgame DRG Armor

[CGMidlander]

Actually $15 is quite a lot. Heck... $10 is really a lot. Is it "too much"? Nah, I don't think so, but to be fair not everyone has $10 extra to throw away on a single outfit for a video game

Have you seen outfits in F2P games? (e.g. $31.90 for good stat outfit in Vindictus, $15 outfits in Blade and Soul, $4-10 per piece of glam in Maplestory ...etc.)
MMOs aside, there's also a massive amount of DLC available for purchase on Steam for pretty much every new game these days.

Consumers have (unfortunately) shown that they don't mind getting nickel and dimed on cosmetic items and extra content.


I'm glad SE doesn't charge real money for things like haircuts, glamour prisms, most mounts, and most emotes.

[Nalien]

All the minions, mounts, and costumes in the cash shop should frankly be obtainable in game, behind something absurd like a MGP grind. I can accept the cash shop as a "short cut" to getting these kinds of things, but when you see them tease Sleipnir as a player mount back in beta, only for them to turn around months later and sell it on for an absurd price... If that isn't crossing the line, it is very violently humping it... Something like Sleipnir should have dropped from the Odin Trial, and I'd have absolutely no problem with primal ponies being in the cash shop; Let people who want to play the game they are paying for, play it. Let people who just want to throw money at the game throw money at the game and never bother with stuff like Gold Saucer or Primals.

[TheUltimateSeph]

Nothing in this game is free, all should be granted to me by just buying it and keeping my subscription up.
Microtransactions are the cancer of the gaming industry from gamers perspective, saying that you love it is simply a justification to your probably mental condition of impulsive consumism.

... "Support" like this is what encourages and allows games like evole or any EA piece of year trash exist... And more encouragin of it on this forums, which is 1 thread too much already will end up being hurt full for all the player base. Sadly all the bad signs are showing, sooner or later we will see materia packs, and top tier tomestone gear on the cash shop just because some people "loves to support". Stop it. You are bad. Microtransactions are bad. Cash Shops are bad.

1. No. The cash shop stuff is extra stuff aside from your subscription. Just because you pay for the sub doesn't automatically entitle you to free cash shop items whenever they are added.

2. I never said I "love" it but I do like the ability to buy OPTIONAL COSMETIC items from the cash shop and saying this means I have a mental condition is retarded in itself.

3. No one is making you buy items from the cash shop. I'm soooo sorry for your unbearable pain.

4. No. As of now the cash shop is purely COSMETIC with no indication whatsoever that it will ever change.

5. Lol It's an open forum. Me using it to ask for a glamour is bad? No.

6. Micro transactions and cash shops are another way for the company to turn a profit and keep the game running. I fail to see how this is bad?!?

[Ilitsa]

Sadly all the bad signs are showing, sooner or later we will see materia packs, and top tier tomestone gear on the cash shop just because some people "loves to support". Stop it. You are bad.

I was in agreement with your post until this part. Then you just became a condescending prick. Good job. Once someone resorts to calling someone else "bad" because they think a different way, that person loses any and all respect and credibility in my eyes.

[Nalien]

6. Micro transactions and cash shops are another way for the company to turn a profit and keep the game running. I fail to see how this is bad?!?

Well, I'm sure some SE executive type is looking at FFXIV, looking at the massive amounts of money they draw in from the cash shop, and going "Why should we waste money hiring content designers to make better content for the game? Just paint that mount another colour and charge for it".

Seriously, I'd love to see the profits SE gets from the cash shop, stuff like the Magitek Mounts and Scion outfits are existing assets, there was no cost involved in their creation (or very little, for painting the Magitek mount red, and giving Minfilias outfit to all races). They're charging 15$ (or whatever) for what exactly? The right to have it? It certainly didn't cost them anything extra to make, considering they've been around since 2.0 (for the white Magitek mount, 1.0 if you want to split hairs over the Scions outfits). It's pure profit for them, and you just know someone higher up the corporate chain is wanting to cash in on that, rather than cash in on quality content. Quality content takes time and money to produce, two things which seemingly didn't go into something like Diadem...

[TheUltimateSeph]

Well, I'm sure some SE executive type is looking at FFXIV, looking at the massive amounts of money they draw in from the cash shop, and going "Why should we waste money hiring content designers to make better content for the game? Just paint that mount another colour and charge for it".

I refer you to point 3 in my last post. 3. No one is making you buy items from the cash shop.

I really didn't think this thread would turn into some kind of argument as to why the cash shop is bad or shouldn't exist in the first place. Guess I should have known better. Cmon guys bring on the hate some more. It feeds me.

The last two sentences were sarcasm in case you missed it.

[Nalien]

I refer you to point 3 in my last post. 3. No one is making you buy items from the cash shop.

I never suggested anyone was making me buy from the cash shop... Here's the thing though; People do buy from the cash shop.

Why should SE care if I quit, for example. I'm only paying the standard subscription fee. Who cares though, they can just paint the Magitek mount purple, slap it on the cash shop, and the remaining people who do purchase from the cash shop have covered the loss of my subscription fee, and then some.

Though, with something like this games piss-poor inventory and glamour system... I kinda do need to pay for an extra retainer at this point... We can ignore that though, the issue with cash shops is that some people do not like the idea of being milked for profit in that way. Sure, we can not purchase from it, but someone who is fine with being milked will. Who does SE care more about retaining as a subscriber? The player paying the standard subscription fee, or the players throwing cash at them for painting mounts different colours? It's a no brainer, really.

Honestly, I begrudgingly tolerated the cash shop, but when they throw something like Diadem out... Well, then I start to have concerns over the future of this game... Like they care about my opinion though, they're getting less money out of me than someone who wants a green ADS ball, or whatever they release to the cash shop next...

[Rufalus]

...your probably mental condition of impulsive consumism.
Stop it. You are bad. Microtransactions are bad. Cash Shops are bad.

Where do you draw the line then in telling people what are proper and improper uses of money. Somebody could say shops that sell blue shirts are bad and you are bad for buying them. It wouldn't really be a more or less valid argument. If somebody loves what S-E are doing and think the cosmetic items they design are worth money, they buy. Money in general isn't a fair system but S-E didn't invent that. They are just doing what all businesses do, trying make as much profit as they can, and it's voluntary if we support their service or not.

[Colorful]

Because people enjoy supporting what they like (or love). It's actually not a foreign concept, you know. Not to mention, for every service, there deserves compensation. We already get free outfits and such as sub rewards every few months, too.

Those loyalty "rewards" aren't a pay to us back with freebies for being loyal, they're a way to keep people subscribing even when they're not interested in the game. "Oh, it's only $15 a month... if I unsub I might be even more behind in these reward." (source: myself and my friends, friends of friends, past experiences with MMOs that use a similar system, and so on).

[Jynx]

Consumer apathy over micro transaction has been overwhelmed in the clash of clans generation of gamers.

It's become a industry norm. I remember when companies got lambasted over micro transactions like horse armor.

Now... now people clamor for it. The world has gone mad.