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  1. #261
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    RaineAmorie's Avatar
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    Jojorito Zazarito
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    But whatever got to keep it simple for casual players right?
    As a "casual" player myself, I don't appreciate being labeled as if I'm a simpleton who can't grasp multiple gearing options. I'm just as good as any "hardcore" player and I'm sure many other casuals are as well. A better choice of words would have made me want to take what you said with a grain of salt, but after that all I want to do is make you feel as ignorant as you think I must be. The only difference between you and me is a few clears of hi-lvl content (maybe) and your need to feel superior.
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  2. #262
    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Perhaps "casual" is too much of a generalization. So I apologize if you were offended. I'd just like some customization and depth in this game. Too streamlined for my tastes. I wouldn't label myself as superior, I won't even attempt Savage. I'm a wimp.

    However there are some players out there...that absolutely refuse to try even in basic dungeons. And lemme tell you they are horror stories. I've ran with Dark Knights in Darkhold who were lvl45 wearing lvl 25 gear not using any of their skills because they had opted to not do any Job Quests. Yeah.
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  3. #263
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    Archaell's Avatar
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    Arch Idealist
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    Alpha
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    Blacksmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RaineAmorie View Post
    As a "casual" player myself, I don't appreciate being labeled as if I'm a simpleton who can't grasp multiple gearing options. I'm just as good as any "hardcore" player and I'm sure many other casuals are as well. A better choice of words would have made me want to take what you said with a grain of salt, but after that all I want to do is make you feel as ignorant as you think I must be. The only difference between you and me is a few clears of hi-lvl content (maybe) and your need to feel superior.
    But Sir! You are no longer a casual. If you can do a basic level 60 rotation you are already an elitist. That's how the labels in this game work. :3
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  4. #264
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    RaineAmorie's Avatar
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    Jojorito Zazarito
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    Perhaps "casual" is too much of a generalization. So I apologize if you were offended. I'd just like some customization and depth in this game. Too streamlined for my tastes. I wouldn't label myself as superior, I won't even attempt Savage. I'm a wimp.

    However there are some players out there...that absolutely refuse to try even in basic dungeons. And lemme tell you they are horror stories. I've ran with Dark Knights in Darkhold who were lvl45 wearing lvl 25 gear not using any of their skills because they had opted to not do any Job Quests. Yeah.
    Those are called "bads", they just happen to be casual because they have no choice to be anything but. ;3

    Quote Originally Posted by Archaell View Post
    But Sir! You are no longer a casual. If you can do a basic level 60 rotation you are already an elitist. That's how the labels in this game work. :3
    You're my new best friend. Do you like my tryhard glam? :P
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  5. #265
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    Archaell's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaineAmorie View Post
    You're my new best friend. Do you like my tryhard glam? :P
    Love it. You need to protect your eye sight when the str tanks bleed on the floor.
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  6. #266
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    Neophyte's Avatar
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    Mim Silmaril
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    Phoenix
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by bounddreamer View Post
    There are three weeks from now until the next patch. Easily enough time to earn a full right side of accessories and get it to 210.

    Not to mention anyone who mains tank ought to have a mix of str and fending already. You don't HAVE to start 3.2 with full 210 to be competitive. But if you do, you can still get/upgrade Gordian and esoteric jewelry and start with 210 fending in 3.2.

    I've been sitting on a stack of A1S tokens and Machi farthings as I deliberated what to upgrade next, and now I'm glad. I already have two 210 fending from Alex drops. Tues the 23rd I can plink down my vouchers and be full 210 fending but up until then I'll rock my full slaying, thanks.
    Just in case no one else thinks of this:

    Do not spend your Esoterics on Vitality accesoires yet, if you're not capped already.
    You should aim for (almost) capped Esoterics for 22.02. (one day before release), since prices will most likely drop. Maybe you can get buy crafting mats for the new crafted accesoires/gear.
    Soooo.. don't spend you Esoterics on gear you don't need now, but spend it when/if you need it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    I am not talking about now. I'm telling you the developers have dug themselves a hole. Eventually that hole will get flooded with water.

    Also, since they changed something knowing a majority of players favored one way, but did not offer plans for compensation or explained how they have plans for the future, it kind of makes the players look like $$$ bags. Trade-ins are the fairest way to combat this.

    I don't mind that. If they gave me 5 weeks of free subscription as well. Remember, this game has lockouts based on TIME. This isn't a free to play game.

    Trade-Ins would be much more fair, because every other class NOT affected by this, can spend their time gearing alts now whilst tanks have to regear. THAT IS NOT FAIR.

    I guarentee you many people play more then one class you know.

    So essentially, we have to pay more then other players because of a mistake of development. That isn't fair.
    1) The timely lookouts on the gear you did not get will go away with 3.2, so you don't need 5 weeks to get you VIT acc, you only need maybe a few days.... First day I can just do 10x A1S for tokens and esoteric and I'd be mostly done (if I'd still need them).

    2) Even if SE didn't change the damage calculation for tanks, they could legitimately make VIT acc for tanks mandatory due to raid mechanics (even the old ones like A1-4s) and/or buff parry-stat.
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    Last edited by Neophyte; 02-02-2016 at 07:41 PM.

  7. #267
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    Kuwagami's Avatar
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    Kuwagami Tarynke
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    Cerberus
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    Red Mage Lv 78
    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    snip.
    you can play multiple cass without having them fully decked in i210.
    Right now you can at least roll a full i190 with i205 weapon, which is already grossly overgeared for any content except AS3&4, which you can't freely farm so it doesn't matter
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  8. #268
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    RecklessLion's Avatar
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    Reckless Lion
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    Faerie
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    Marauder Lv 67
    Vit now does damage while str is lower rates......soo there's no point in customization? Wow do yall realize how much of the game has been nerfed? No more challenges due to zero custom builds for tanks.....and yall think there's a lack of tanks now. This will either hugely over power tanks with high health and high damage or high health weak damage since str no longer have effects. Not looking forward to the changes at all.
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  9. #269
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    Nel Synestra
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    Moogle
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by RecklessLion View Post
    No more challenges due to zero custom builds for tanks
    These "custom builds" ended in era of second coil, since that its always been same STR focused build, also i didnt know doing 3 gearsets is challenge... I think STR might endup being our new best secondary stat instead crit/det, so with new materia slots it means more customization for tanks and other jobs aswell.
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  10. #270
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    Reckless Lion
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    Faerie
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    Marauder Lv 67
    Hmm honestly now that I put thought into this dps of a tank took a hit. There's no way SE will allow a tank to dps at a full str rate while being full vit. That's asinine and will make the game very easy. With that being said IF you haven't already get them PLD up to 60. They're being reworked and probably given Moar dps with their high mitigation at ease of use here. On the bright side the offensive stance is safe due to more HP. How ever I don't think war or drk will benefit as much as a PLD. Personally I would only use this adjustment for the PLD and keep WAR and DRK the same. There's almost no benefits for being a skilled tank. It's cut and dry now.
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