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    RiisWolf's Avatar
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    Triptolemus Zaels
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Look at what Savage did to the meta! Squishy pure STR tanks full of hardcore hubris they fail harder than a newbie. HOW??? “Casuals are for babies. I did this so many times I don't need CDs, not even if they are attacks cause that would be sub-optimal/too much for this trash.“
    . . . . . . takes 8,000 damage per sec while having 12,000HP
    Yup.

    Heck, I already have to deal with 2 “hardcore“ WHMs in my FC who absolutely cannot be trusted with a final sting. DPS #1 and yet they attack the wrong bee and/or just plain suck at outputting damage, not to mention never keep the tank (usually me) topped off even as a paladin. There wasn't even a single Regen everytime. I never had this issue with anyone else, just with those incompetent fools who cant even do their own shtick right. I just know if I ever get back to serious raiding, I will never let them in as heals, unless I wanted a challenge my already thin patience with them.
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    Thea Sitori
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by RiisWolf View Post
    Heck, I already have to deal with 2 “hardcore“ WHMs in my FC who absolutely cannot be trusted with a final sting. DPS #1 and yet they attack the wrong bee and/or just plain suck at outputting damage, not to mention never keep the tank (usually me) topped off even as a paladin. There wasn't even a single Regen everytime. I never had this issue with anyone else, just with those incompetent fools who cant even do their own shtick right. I just know if I ever get back to serious raiding, I will never let them in as heals, unless I wanted a challenge my already thin patience with them.
    I'm not sure why Final Sting is an issue as tank because it never is to me even if i'm not 100% HP. Just focus target, and when you see it being cast with it not dead yet, pop your immunity (Hallowed Ground) then or the strongest CD you have left. I've seen 100% HP PLDs fall to their face because they think they can eat it all. Although a Scholar could shield for the mechanic, still it's best to prep a cooldown for it if you know the DPS isn't going to be there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    Snip.
    Yeah hallowed ground would save me if they both stung me at the same time. Unfortunately as I've already stated especially in that quote, the one leading cause of my demises is that those hubris twits are not keeping me healed up. So I get stung and auto attacked by one or all of the 3~6 other enemies, 18K MAX HP, 7K gone to 0.8K then 0 in 2 seconds without CDs because again, those idiots expect my CDs to save me when I had to use them all to ensure their negligence prior to the final sting doesn't kill me, and then bam I got dead. Easily preventable if they done their part to start with but NOPE. I mean I have no problem healing/stacking barriers through that as a scholar in 170s with a Vit ring and points all in piety, and these idiots were in 200~210 Gordian gear with maximum mind. SAVAGE GORDIAN GEAR WITH MAXIMUM MIND! Unbelievable!

    Last time, I holmanged and went the whole 6seconds at 1HP.
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    Holy Emmerololth
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    Mateus
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Level 60 Roulette, got FC.

    PLD/BRD/WHM/BLM. Everything was fine, we did really well until the final boss, clean, no problems. Then the PLD seemed to get bored and started intentionally pulling the boss over to face the ranged characters. As in, everyone else in the party. When we moved to avoid his face, he would pull it again over to face us as best he could.

    Those constant frontal cleaves do about 4k each. It was, ah, rough to cure and a few times we had to actually run over the land mines on purpose to get away from the cleaves. The poor BLM never stood a chance and was basically relegated to either running constantly or death and at least doing some damage.

    I generally get decent parties in DF, and those that are less than average I can usually carry, so this was a really surreal experience for me. Why would you want to sabotage your party like that? The guy seemed perfectly friendly before.
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    Last edited by CyrilLucifer; 01-30-2016 at 03:33 PM.

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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiisWolf View Post
    ...
    have no problem healing/stacking barriers through that as a scholar in 170s with a Vit ring and points all in piety, and these idiots were in 200~210 Gordian gear with maximum mind. SAVAGE GORDIAN GEAR WITH MAXIMUM MIND! Unbelievable!

    Last time, I holmanged and went the whole 6seconds at 1HP.
    It is just best to use HG when the first sting gets cast (dps must be really out of whack if both are up for a sting) that should give attention hey now we got 10 more seconds before we are in deep trouble. Still if you do your part to blow it for a sting, it will now be on the healer and dps to finish the job, and they have no one to blame but themselves after that.

    Savage gear this late in the cycle doesn't really say a whole lot about job skill in itself. At the end of the raid cycle we are usually on our 3rd and 4th alts being geared. Even in our raid it's to the point the healer gear is going to drop to the floor because even all the alts have their stuff. Generally, I expect some raid level intuition if one is going to use savage gear on alt job. But it's very late in the cycle now, and in the first months, sure I would say they are very likely a healer main. But it could have been an alt that doesn't play healer so much as well. So it is something to think about.
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    Juke Fm
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    Behemoth
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    Dark Knight Lv 73

    Worst a2

    Soooo I just did Alex turn 2 I ask a melee dps who was a monk to do the goblin walker because we had a new tank with us.... The dps was monk, bard, black Mage, black Mage. I was a astro the other healer was a whm. We wipe the first time cuz I couldn't heal the dog that was taken by the bomb and the adds at the same time. The other healer had the same issue. We wiped again with the same issue. I ask the monk if he/she could get the goblin walker for us the monk said no.... Then I said this fight is not a melee fights and mind u it ain't a dps check... The monk was doing 1600 did not look at the guys gear... Then the group start getting rude to me cuz I don't know other class and etc I said do the f*** mechs of the fight... Also I was popping balance most of the time. Was I wrong for b********...
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    Fiona Greentear
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    Behemoth
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    I'm not sure why Final Sting is an issue as tank because it never is to me even if i'm not 100% HP. Just focus target, and when you see it being cast with it not dead yet, pop your immunity (Hallowed Ground) then or the strongest CD you have left. I've seen 100% HP PLDs fall to their face because they think they can eat it all. Although a Scholar could shield for the mechanic, still it's best to prep a cooldown for it if you know the DPS isn't going to be there.
    I have a big problem with Final Stings on Arboretum. I'm a main WHM, so I only have 2 instant heals. I can heal the first 2 stings, but if the tank doesn't pop a CD for the third, he's dead for good. And most of them end up blaming me for "no healing" (because it's super possible to cast a Cure 2 on someone losing 3K hp per second after getting stinged)
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    Pikarin Makai
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
    I have a big problem with Final Stings on Arboretum. I'm a main WHM, so I only have 2 instant heals. I can heal the first 2 stings, but if the tank doesn't pop a CD for the third, he's dead for good. And most of them end up blaming me for "no healing" (because it's super possible to cast a Cure 2 on someone losing 3K hp per second after getting stinged)
    Divine seal pile on the HoT's you also have an AoE that stuns as well as does damage. If it's dragging on just pop E4E and all your HoT's and go crazy with holy to keep everything stun locked for hopefully long enough for them to die or the wall to be broken so they can be reset. I'm not excusing the Tank because they should be doing better but sometimes you just have to carry harder XD. swiftcast plus cure II makes a good instant heal also especially if you have divine seal active. Unless the DPS are crazy slow you should be able to rotate tetra and swiftcast cure II with one benediction save while stun locking the crap out of everything.
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    Last edited by MXMoondoggie; 02-05-2016 at 11:24 PM.

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    Saseal Korei
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    Coeurl
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
    I have a big problem with Final Stings on Arboretum. I'm a main WHM, so I only have 2 instant heals. I can heal the first 2 stings, but if the tank doesn't pop a CD for the third, he's dead for good. And most of them end up blaming me for "no healing" (because it's super possible to cast a Cure 2 on someone losing 3K hp per second after getting stinged)
    I've ended up in this position fairly often - heal spamming the mob, Final Sting goes off and the ongoing damage is so great, not even Bene or Tetra/Essential Dignity gets there in time. >_<

    I've been on AST a lot, lately, so.... I've gotten to the point where I focus target the original spawning Orn hornet and Cel Opposition stun them when I see Final Sting. Every now and then I'm too late (as it takes a second or two after the initial flash, to take). I find even a swiftcasted Holy is too slow to do the same thing, though. :/
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