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  1. #3001
    Player Februs's Avatar
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    Februs Harrow
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by JenniLeFur View Post
    I didn't actually know that! Thanks ... That does explain why my first Fractal run had a WAR tank who did the entire run with massive pulls in Deliverance though, if Defiance doesn't give access to special cds or something.
    No problem. The more healers know about the differences between Tanks the better. As for War's, they do get a benefit from being in Defiance. Basically :

    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    Some cooldowns require Defiance to use, but we can stance dance to Deliverance once triggered to still get their full effects, and the amount of ways we have to mitigate as Warrior is unbelievable.
    This ^

    Defiance does not provide a passive defense the same way Shield Oath or Grit does to a Pld/Drk, but it does grant them access to their Infuriated oGCD's. Inner Beast, in particular, is a big one. They basically get +20% defense every 20s if they Tank while in Defiance.

    That being said, there really is not much of a penalty for swapping to Deliverance once they gain that effect. Further, some of their defensive moves actually see better synergy when used in Deliverance. Blood Bath, for example, scales self-healing from the War's dmg output. Deliverance increases their Dps significantly, so the returns they see from Blood Bath go up when they use it in their Dps stance. If they pop Berserk with it they can essentially go without direct healing for the duration of the timer. So it's not uncommon to see a War cycle into Deliverance whenever Blood Bath and Berserk are up, to increase their self-healing. It's all about knowing when and where it is a good idea to switch stances.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinaloa View Post
    Please correct me if there have been changes made since I last checked tanks.
    As far as I know, this is still accurate, but I haven't looked into the War numbers since the patch. War's do, however, have a lower eHp while in their Tank stance than Pld's. Someone handed me my own ignorance on this one in the tank forums once before and ran the numbers to clear things up. In terms of flat eHp, War's come up short by roughly 5%. That being said, their Self-healing more than makes up that difference, so learning how to use those CD's efficiently is a good idea.
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    Last edited by Februs; 01-28-2016 at 04:15 AM.

  2. #3002
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    raela's Avatar
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    Raela Sarinelle
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    Cactuar
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    I was thinking the same thing. Ruin hits like a feather pillow. Why not let the conj/white mage throw a few Stone II's instead?
    A bit late, but, I would just like to point out that at low levels, healers restore 50~100% of HP in one hit, vs multiple needed for ACN (and often they start spamming at 90%). It's still better for the healer to dps, drop out of cleric to throw a heal, then get back into it.

    I've been the horror story lately. I keep falling asleep while playing. .___.
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  3. #3003
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    Opus's Avatar
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    Hel Vel
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    Hades
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Newbie level 58 DRK in The Vault. Didn't use Unleash on trash, didn't have Provoke (nor anything else, as "first tank class") cross-classed, lost threat constantly, didn't have Darkside on, didn't use cooldowns, did stupid things like dance before every pull. I initiated a kick, rejected. Asked for Darkside to be on, DPS said no because of Grit. Got kicked instead.

    Go figure.
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    Last edited by Opus; 01-28-2016 at 03:09 PM.

  4. #3004
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    Mocita's Avatar
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    Mocita Magicita
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    Leviathan
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Opus View Post
    Newbie level 58 DRK in The Vault. Didn't use Unleash on trash, didn't have Provoke (nor anything else, as "first tank class") cross-classed, lost threat constantly, didn't have Darkside on, didn't use cooldowns, did stupid things like dance before every pull. I initiated a kick, rejected. Asked for Darkside to be on, DPS said no because of Grit. Got kicked instead.

    Go figure.
    A lot of people just don't understand other jobs, or don't care to understand other jobs. While I like playing as SCH when I'm healing, that doesn't stop me from learning how all jobs work in case I need to queue as a tank/DPS somewhere. If you're not going to play as a certain job, or are just getting starting playing it, learn how it plays and take free advice. You might learn a thing or two about the job you never even considered.
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  5. #3005
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    LDR's Avatar
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    Character
    Kessler Larael
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    Short horror story:

    que ex, get Pharos hm
    tank is either slow load of viewing cutscene, doesnt matter but i stskin the dps and myself, tank pops in, i stskin him, barrier drops, i use protect anddddd......

    the buff icon for protect doesnt display, and ive switched to my heal hot bar and.... nothing is displaying, no icons, only vague mp costs
    everyone is floating, no sound
    i try to throw a noct shield on before pull but no idea if it worked, luckly manage to switch to diurnal before he pulls but no idea if it works as a.bene doesnt seem to do anything

    thank god i put cure/physick/bene on the same hotbar place so i can memory use it

    tank pulls all and i manage to keep it going without anything but bene and bene2 as all other things are just, unuseable.

    and then just as its all about to die system crashes and it says corrupted data/cant read hdd/ blah blah

    tbh i wouldve loved the challenge of a icon-less run seeing how well i knew my hotbar but implosion had other ideas
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    Kessler Larael / Alesana Gardeneau / Sierra Alpha / Moko Tarou
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    Raeleighn Corinthian / Riley Renault
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    6 characters, 1 massive idiot

  6. #3006
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    technole's Avatar
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by Opus View Post
    Newbie level 58 DRK in The Vault. Didn't use Unleash on trash, didn't have Provoke (nor anything else, as "first tank class") cross-classed, lost threat constantly, didn't have Darkside on, didn't use cooldowns, did stupid things like dance before every pull. I initiated a kick, rejected. Asked for Darkside to be on, DPS said no because of Grit. Got kicked instead.

    Go figure.
    Sadly, this isn't so out of the ordinary for new tanks that are DRKs. Plus, you know you had a bad one if they don't even attempt to keep Darkside on. In a way they are saying: "hey everyone I'm going to play gimped dank knight, and lockout the best skills of my job by not turning this on". Just having the minor cooldowns cross-class can make a big difference for healers, and nothing else says someone is completely new to tanking if they don't have Provoke after level 50 for that matter.

    The ignorance of some taking advice from others is just unbelievable, whom probably have a lot more experience than they do at the job/role. In a leveling instance this late in the game, one should expect that it's not everyone's first job rodeo.
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    Last edited by technole; 01-29-2016 at 12:07 AM.

  7. #3007
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    Venaire6's Avatar
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    Venaire Sylvia
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    Malboro
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 60
    As a healer:
    Solo healing Leviathan ex mode when the other healer + 3 DPS and a tank fell off after the first body slam when Levi casts ultimate... We managed to kill Levi with me tanking the tail lol. I'm just glad that I have a fairy to heal the DRK at the head.

    As a DPS:
    I was helping my DRK friend with The Aetherochemical Research Facility and got stuck with a an extremely bad SCH healer with low item lvl and never paid attention to the HP bars of us DPS throughout the mini boss and mob fights. When we got to the final boss, our HP got extremely low at one point and so I switched to my healer mode xD. I had to Resurrect many times too and it was a miracle that we managed to defeat it the first time.
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  8. #3008
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    RiisWolf's Avatar
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    Triptolemus Zaels
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 80
    Look at what Savage did to the meta! Squishy pure STR tanks full of hardcore hubris they fail harder than a newbie. HOW??? “Casuals are for babies. I did this so many times I don't need CDs, not even if they are attacks cause that would be sub-optimal/too much for this trash.“
    . . . . . . takes 8,000 damage per sec while having 12,000HP
    Yup.

    Heck, I already have to deal with 2 “hardcore“ WHMs in my FC who absolutely cannot be trusted with a final sting. DPS #1 and yet they attack the wrong bee and/or just plain suck at outputting damage, not to mention never keep the tank (usually me) topped off even as a paladin. There wasn't even a single Regen everytime. I never had this issue with anyone else, just with those incompetent fools who cant even do their own shtick right. I just know if I ever get back to serious raiding, I will never let them in as heals, unless I wanted a challenge my already thin patience with them.
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  9. #3009
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    technole's Avatar
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by RiisWolf View Post
    Heck, I already have to deal with 2 “hardcore“ WHMs in my FC who absolutely cannot be trusted with a final sting. DPS #1 and yet they attack the wrong bee and/or just plain suck at outputting damage, not to mention never keep the tank (usually me) topped off even as a paladin. There wasn't even a single Regen everytime. I never had this issue with anyone else, just with those incompetent fools who cant even do their own shtick right. I just know if I ever get back to serious raiding, I will never let them in as heals, unless I wanted a challenge my already thin patience with them.
    I'm not sure why Final Sting is an issue as tank because it never is to me even if i'm not 100% HP. Just focus target, and when you see it being cast with it not dead yet, pop your immunity (Hallowed Ground) then or the strongest CD you have left. I've seen 100% HP PLDs fall to their face because they think they can eat it all. Although a Scholar could shield for the mechanic, still it's best to prep a cooldown for it if you know the DPS isn't going to be there.
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  10. #3010
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    Talya Stormbreaker
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    Lamia
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 70
    Yesterday on AST I got Copperbell. On AST. I had no cards!!!

    But, the tank was appropriately geared, and using cooldowns, so I actually spent most of the dungeon in cleric stance dpsing my heart out. The dps were new but both of them performed capably.

    The horror was dcing during one or the biggest pulls of the dungeon. I kept throwing Benefic on the tank even though everything was frozen, until I got booted out. They didn't kick me but they did get to the boss without me and I think there was at least one more pull. I think the THM may have had physick, so thank goodness for that.
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