Simple fixes for Astrologian

[deusdormit]

I think Astrologian is very nearly par. Hence alot of the suggestions are fairly small save the shield buff and even SE has acknowledged the aggro problems they have. But as it stands I look in the party finder and more often than not astrologian is locked out. I've seen great parties with 1 astro but I also see people straight up leaving if there are 2 because they want to "progress" (also soooo many peeps get mad when astros use CU when thordan is untargetable cause he treats astros like they just ate the last piece of pizza)

[deusdormit]

He has murder in his eyes is what I'm saying

[File2ish]

Time dialations adds 15 secs to buffs it does not make ur buffs last 2x as long, u can only get a 1min 15 sec balance and thats going through a lot of RNG just to get balance in the first place..... Where SCH can use selene 3% attack speed for a single press of a button and it last 30sec with a 60sec cooldown, also sch so they can keep it up for 1/2 of a fight easy where we have to go through a lot of cards.... As and ast i gone through an entire fight just drawing bole/spire/ewer/spear... With no arrow or balance cards for the entire fight

Mistake on my part about time dialation, thanks for correcting me. Wrote up in the early morning :P

Edit: And I was just using Balance as the most extreme example. I'm well aware that the chances of getting the best card combos are relatively slim.

[Kabzy]

I think Astrologian is very nearly par. Hence alot of the suggestions are fairly small save the shield buff and even SE has acknowledged the aggro problems they have. But as it stands I look in the party finder and more often than not astrologian is locked out.

I raid with an AST in savage, it's very much so on par with the other healers. The only reason people want Noct. buffed is because there seems to be this idea floating around that AST must be a good replacement for WHM/SCH as opposed to letting them have their own identity. As for 'progress', dual SCH and WHM groups are also rather suboptimal, so there's no reason dual AST should be permissible.

Unfortunately, similarly to the lolDRG mentality, AST started out bad and so people who know nothing about the job or healing still have that mindset when it comes to the job, hence the hate. This alone, in my opinion, does not validate buffs as there's a huge risk they will become OP and then the other 2 jobs will cry. Something small like enmity reduction is a buff worth talking about, but I agree with the previous poster that nerfs would need to be seen if they want to buff AST any further.

[AzureFlare]

I raid with an AST in savage, it's very much so on par with the other healers. The only reason people want Noct. buffed is because there seems to be this idea floating around that AST must be a good replacement for WHM/SCH as opposed to letting them have their own identity. As for 'progress', dual SCH and WHM groups are also rather suboptimal, so there's no reason dual AST should be permissible.

When the largest healer population is WHM and job-stacking on healers is considered a sin/suboptimal, it is only natural people expect AST to be able to fit the SCH role. Besides, Eos does a pretty good job making up most of the difference in healing between WHM and SCH should a SCH fill the main-heal position.
On top of that, there's plenty sectless stuff that sets AST apart from both WHM and SCH and SE is the one that shoehorned the sect system into this. They can't really buff identity spells for Noct's sake since it would make Diurnal OP. Of course the idea of being able to replace either healer will float around. The people are merely dancing on the beat SE sets while still looking for a way to make it more enjoyable for everyone, which logically means Noct-specific stuff is to be buffed or AST is to be redesigned as a whole.

[AlphaSonic]

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Noc AST was meant to substitute SCH. Noc AST is trash and SCH is OP, it's a fact.
The fact that SCH have a fairy is enough reasoning not to bring Noc AST, but even without fairy SCH would probably be better than Noc AST as an off healer.

[Kabzy]

Noc AST was meant to substitute SCH. Noc AST is trash and SCH is OP, it's a fact.
The fact that SCH have a fairy is enough reasoning not to bring Noc AST, but even without fairy SCH would probably be better than Noc AST as an off healer.

Being the best healer out of the 3 doesn't mean OP, there has to be one healer on top and at the moment it's SCH. But like I've said before, the current raid meta focuses a lot on DPS so obviously the healer that specialises in DPS contribution will shine. It wouldn't be fair to allow AST to have the same DPS capabilities while they can buff and heal too. You can't ask for everything, unless you actually want further homogenization of the roles?

For the record I have played all three healers in savage, including Noct. AST, and we had no problems even with lower level gear. Yeah it's no SCH, but it's far from 'trash'.

[AlphaSonic]

Being the best healer out of the 3 doesn't mean OP, there has to be one healer on top and at the moment it's SCH. But like I've said before, the current raid meta focuses a lot on DPS so obviously the healer that specialises in DPS contribution will shine. It wouldn't be fair to allow AST to have the same DPS capabilities while they can buff and heal too. You can't ask for everything, unless you actually want further homogenization of the roles?

For the record I have played all three healers in savage, including Noct. AST, and we had no problems even with lower level gear. Yeah it's no SCH, but it's far from 'trash'.

The problem is that SCH is much more OP than noc AST. The fact that SCH is OP it's the problem. I think you could nerf the fairy down to 75% less healing and SCH would still be better. Except Cards and maybe some gimmick that SCH doesn't have, Noc AST is worse in every aspect compared to SCH.

[Yhisa]

Me personally thing AST was the last job they made and just threw WHm with SCH and slapped CORSAIR buffs but modified it entirely

Me for one do not like it that im treated like a WHM or a sub par SCH it hurts at time... But i also fear for the future of AST and 4.0 if they make a new healer.. What would happen to AST then?

Whm and Sch will get better... AST will be stuck between the voilent triangle if they make 4 healers and if this new healer have a new unique style of healing .. AST would be thrown to the side and be forgotten and only a few players would play it

The hybrid role of AST will be its downfall in future expansions and this is a known fact.... When u think about it AST will be the hardest healer to balance and to get right due to being a Jack of all trades style healer... Which will be its down fall in future which is already got me worried about the job already

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

The hybrid role of AST will be its downfall in future expansions and this is a known fact.... When u think about it AST will be the hardest healer to balance and to get right due to being a Jack of all trades style healer... Which will be its down fall in future which is already got me worried about the job already

Is it now? What would be more likely to meet it's downfall: A job that's good at one thing or a job that can fulfill the same act of healing but bring more on the table?