Simple fixes for Astrologian

[Yhisa]

Me personally thing AST was the last job they made and just threw WHm with SCH and slapped CORSAIR buffs but modified it entirely

Me for one do not like it that im treated like a WHM or a sub par SCH it hurts at time... But i also fear for the future of AST and 4.0 if they make a new healer.. What would happen to AST then?

Whm and Sch will get better... AST will be stuck between the voilent triangle if they make 4 healers and if this new healer have a new unique style of healing .. AST would be thrown to the side and be forgotten and only a few players would play it

The hybrid role of AST will be its downfall in future expansions and this is a known fact.... When u think about it AST will be the hardest healer to balance and to get right due to being a Jack of all trades style healer... Which will be its down fall in future which is already got me worried about the job already

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

The hybrid role of AST will be its downfall in future expansions and this is a known fact.... When u think about it AST will be the hardest healer to balance and to get right due to being a Jack of all trades style healer... Which will be its down fall in future which is already got me worried about the job already

Is it now? What would be more likely to meet it's downfall: A job that's good at one thing or a job that can fulfill the same act of healing but bring more on the table?

[ty_taurus]

It's not that AST is trying to replace WHM or SCH. The problem stems from the fact that Diurnal is better than Nocturnal in a handful of ways and is better supported by the AST's kit. Here's why:

Diurnal - TD and CO can increase the remaining time on your buffs: your three HoTs (Asp Benefic/Helios and CU), your cards, and LA (by CO only but still). Your HoTs also stack with each other.

Nocturnal - You can also use TD and CO to extend all of the same abilities, but there is a significant drop in usefulness when you extend the duration of a shield that can break. These two abilities also don't stack.

Suggestions -
- Allow Aspected Benefic/Helios to stack.
- Provide some other benefit to Asp Benefic/Helios that stays even if the shield is broken. A Shield over Time on Asp Benefic/Helios
Numbers would need to be tweaked to keep AST balanced, but something like this could help Noct stand alongside Diurnal instead of in its shadow.

[Vlady]

I don't believe once I mentioned summoner. They are doing a nice job splitting the jobs apart thematically. They can tweak the scholar side without touching summoner and white mage stacking was more viable in 2.0. Scholar was not able to stack like white mage could so why should the scholar not have the lime light for an expansion?

[AlphaSonic]

I don't believe once I mentioned summoner. They are doing a nice job splitting the jobs apart thematically. They can tweak the scholar side without touching summoner and white mage stacking was more viable in 2.0. Scholar was not able to stack like white mage could so why should the scholar not have the lime light for an expansion?

I mention the SMN because the only DPS thing you can touch from SCH without touching SMN is broil. The rest are all tied to ACN. One thing is being in the lime light because it has some charactherics that makes them slightly better in fights for example SMN is better in heavy mobility and multiple mobs fights, where as BLM has better single target and can bring magic damage mitigation to the tank. The other thing is being blatantly OP compared to another class that can't dish that much healing and DPS because it lacks tools like fairy, better MP control, more instant heals, easier tools to mitigate damage...
BTW, maybe people think I want that AST do the same thing as SCH, but not, if it was for me I would rework all the AST set and I would only keep the cards as is the only iconical thing AST has (maybe Essential Dignity and Collective Unconscious too) and i would get rid of the stances as they are the worse thing they could have ever introduced for AST.

[Rawrz]

Is spell speed going to start affecting fairies or what?
*Slightly trolling over the talk of nerfing SCH*

[FoxyAreku]

Noct needs something to put it on par with diurnal, since diurnal can extend regens.

Maybe have something like Deployment tactics where you can spread the aspected benefic shield to everyone? That'd be nice.

[kiraan]

Noct needs something to put it on par with diurnal, since diurnal can extend regens.

Maybe have something like Deployment tactics where you can spread the aspected benefic shield to everyone? That'd be nice.

totally agree with that!

Diurnal -> time dilatation : extends duration of buffs
Nocturnal -> space dilatation : spreads buffs to party members

[Vlady]

Noct needs something to put it on par with diurnal, since diurnal can extend regens.

Maybe have something like Deployment tactics where you can spread the aspected benefic shield to everyone? That'd be nice.

If the astro receives buffs to the nocturnal side of it then the duirnal side needs to be toned down. As of now astro in alot of aspects is a stronger healer then a white mage which is still absurd letting the astro even encroach on pure healing strength of the white mage imo. Give the same buff to nocturnal side then you will find Astro/Astro is the new norm in all levels of high end progression. Throw the white mage and scholar under the bus just to appease the astro crowd?

[FoxyAreku]

If the astro receives buffs to the nocturnal side of it then the duirnal side needs to be toned down. As of now astro in alot of aspects is a stronger healer then a white mage which is still absurd letting the astro even encroach on pure healing strength of the white mage imo. Give the same buff to nocturnal side then you will find Astro/Astro is the new norm in all levels of high end progression. Throw the white mage and scholar under the bus just to appease the astro crowd?

White mage is still so much better than astro when it comes to pure healing it's not even funny, they also have better MP management as well.
This is just my experience, but healing A1S through A3S for a few weeks as astro, then maxing out my white mage and doing it as that with the same gear (minus pants that were actually 20 item levels worse) white mage was SOOOOOO much easier. White mage in general has such an easy time healing in savage with the current gear it's crazy, I dunno how anyone can think ast can compete with whm's healing ability. Even the regens do slightly more from my testing...