Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Stupiduglytaru]

I was the healer in this group, first like me start out by saying it would have been better if you suggested to the BLM to use Enochian instead of putting them on the spot and asking them repeatedly why they didn't use it. After you said something, she started using it

. The reason the tank said those things was because they were in the same FC. I'll go out on a limb and say they are a couple. Yes, the first boss was taking forever, but there are a lot of new players around now and BLM was her first 60.

This was Fractal, it's not super hard and doesn't require people to know the ends and outs of their jobs. People learn at their own pace. if you want to suggest something they are doing wrong then that's fine. If they change, great! If not, either leave or just stay for the ride.

Pls this is a level 60 dungeon, not a leveling dungeon.

[Jim_Berry]

Pls this is a level 60 dungeon, not a leveling dungeon.

Just because it's a Lv60 dungeon still don't mean there are Lv60 experienced players in that dungeon. I remember when I first hit Lv60 and first entered Fractal. As a NIN, the other DPS talked crap as if I knew what was going on. In my own defense, when I enter content for the first time, I need to take it easy and know what and what not to do/expect. And many of my first time experiences were me asking people if there's anything I should know, but they never say nothing but "git gud".

Saying "git gud" is actually becoming overused and makes some players not give a crap if the community is already making them feel like crap rather than giving them advice instead of putitng them on blast.

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When I was doing Thordan Ex for the first time, since the first solo Knight is a dps check, I would burn my CDs to help stop him. Instead of the group letting me know that I didn't need to do that, the first line in chat was, "jim dont be dumb. hold your cds".

Not going to lie; if you catch me AFTER I've been playing straight for a couple hours, I'll get a little lazy. Not "only use one combo" lazy, but I may let dots drop when I'm in a dungeon; I'll NEVER queue up for a Primal if I'm on Lazy Mode, though.

[RiceisNice]

Just because it's a Lv60 dungeon still don't mean there are Lv60 experienced players in that dungeon. I remember when I first hit Lv60 and first entered Fractal. As a NIN, the other DPS talked crap as if I knew what was going on. In my own defense, when I enter content for the first time, I need to take it easy and know what and what not to do/expect.

This is in regards to the dungeon itself though, not the job mechanics. Even before you stepped in, you alreayd have knowledge on how to use your mudras and armor crush to extend hueton, maybe even do it from the flank instead of rear.

Saying "git gud" is actually becoming overused and makes some players not give a crap if the community is already making them feel like crap rather than giving them advice instead of putitng them on blast.

No one in this thread had said to "gut gud" or anything along the means, as opposed to knowing the functions of your job.

When I was doing Thordan Ex for the first time, since the first solo Knight is a dps check, I would burn my CDs to help stop him. Instead of the group letting me know that I didn't need to do that, the first line in chat was, "jim dont be dumb. hold your cds".

How is this relevant to the topic? It feels like you're just speaking out of a bad experience than contribuiting to what's going in the topic.

[Jim_Berry]

This is in regards to the dungeon itself though, not the job mechanics. Even before you stepped in, you alreayd have knowledge on how to use your mudras and armor crush to extend hueton, maybe even do it from the flank instead of rear.

Perhaps I left out some text. Basically, someone above mention that a player should have knowledge of their skills by this time. What if I told you someone had been doing that dungeon a bunch on their other 3 Lv60 jobs, and JUST learned all their 52-60 abilites in one go prior to entering the dungeon? It still does not mean folks should be attacked on a job just because YOU'RE a Vet at that same job. Personally, I'm the type where if I dislike how NINs don't use Kassatsu + Doton in a dungeon on 4+ mobs, I just stay on NIN and do it myself, rather than provoking the other NIN.

No one in this thread had said to "gut gud" or anything along the means, as opposed to knowing the functions of your job.

I never said no one in this thread said it, either. However, we all know when someone tell you to "git gud", it's almost the same as, "Hey, you're doing a crap job. Uninstall your game."! Take it how you want to, bruh!

How is this relevant to the topic? It feels like you're just speaking out of a bad experience than contribuiting to what's going in the topic.

Again, it was mentioned that people don't know how to play their job, use their abilities, etc. I used this as an example because when you (generally speaking) do a certain thing for a while, then people keep telling you to NOT do it, then when it's time to do it, and you don't do it because now you got people bothering you about it, you still don't do it. That person continues to bring it up rather than just saying, "Ok. I mentioned it. He's being a jerk, so forget it."