Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[DGladius]

Serious question though, Should it be the communities job to teach people how to play their supposedly main class when there is already a ton of stuff online?

If someone is too lazy to google "FFXIV Black Mage rotation Heavensward" then clearly they don't really want to learn and are ok with how they are playing that they most likely don't want advice.

It literally takes 10 seconds to google that.

This is a problem with lots of NA players, they go into party content without putting much effort into knowing how to play their class, have a mentality of doing as little as possible in clearing the duty and then throw a fit when they get called out on it. Is it too much to put in some time to improve yourself and research your class and the content you wanna queue for before going into it?

[Rubieus]

Valerian.. is that.. expert? .. unless he is in your raid group. it's not really your place to tell him how to play the game. if he wants to wear minimum ilvl gear then that is his /her choice. seriously. just don't, you'll thank me later. or not. either way, your time was wasted, and mine was for reading/responding to this thread.

[Campi]

Valerian.. is that.. expert? .. unless he is in your raid group. it's not really your place to tell him how to play the game. if he wants to wear minimum ilvl gear then that is his /her choice. seriously. just don't, you'll thank me later. or not. either way, your time was wasted, and mine was for reading/responding to this thread.

but this is an mmo, not a solo-player game

if a player do his job wrong, i will tell him how to play
if someone don't do the mechanics, i will tell him what to do


someone can't play and the other 3 have to deal with it, or leave?
this kind of thinking is horribly wrong, sry


when i do team-sports, i will always give my best, i don't want to loose with my team
so why i can't do this in an online-game?


the picture with the tic-tac-toe game says it all

[Lego3400]

but this is an mmo, not a solo-player game

if a player do his job wrong, i will tell him how to play
if someone don't do the mechanics, i will tell him what to do


someone can't play and the other 3 have to deal with it, or leave?
this kind of thinking is horribly wrong, sry


when i do team-sports, i will always give my best, i don't want to loose with my team
so why i can't do this in an online-game?


the picture with the tic-tac-toe game says it all

There is a fine line between playing the game wrong (IE: Not using a skill at all) and not playing up to your standards (Not using a skill as often as you think it should be used despite victory)

[AnaviAnael]

This was Fractal, it's not super hard and doesn't require people to know the ends and outs of their jobs.

I'm sorry, but attitudes like this need to stop. Content being easy doesn't give people a license to not try.

[Reilyn]

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I know this might not be the whole conversation, but giving the OP the benefit of the doubt here. When someone wants to respond with the tired old defense of 'are you telling me how to play my class?', followed by 'shut up' (I've gotten this before whenever I pick out the occasional 50s and 60s that still don't know how their job works as if they didn't level it), the person deserves no sympathy. I asked a DRG much the same question in arbetorium the other week, and he wanted to learn, so I taught him what I could without slowing down the run.

If not me, if not the OP, SOMEONE will call them out/question them on their dps. Treating anyone who is possibly reaching out to help you like that in a 4 man where there's less pressure before you risk wasting even more people's time in harder content is self-destructive pride, willing ignorance, stupidity, and just plain being an ungrateful jerk.

[Jim_Berry]

I know this might not be the whole conversation, but giving the OP the benefit of the doubt here. When someone wants to respond with the tired old defense of 'are you telling me how to play my class?', followed by 'shut up' (I've gotten this before whenever I pick out the occasional 50s and 60s that still don't know how their job works as if they didn't level it), the person deserves no sympathy. I asked a DRG much the same question in arbetorium the other week, and he wanted to learn, so I taught him what I could without slowing down the run.

If not me, if not the OP, SOMEONE will call them out/question them on their dps. Treating anyone who is possibly reaching out to help you like that in a 4 man where there's less pressure before you risk wasting even more people's time in harder content is self-destructive pride, willing ignorance, stupidity, and just plain being an ungrateful jerk.

Mentally, some of us just simply feel like, if you're on Job A and I'm on Job B, you must really not be doing much at all if you can let auto-attack kick it while you type lol... I'm usually quiet in dungeons, because someone ALWAYS find something to say. NIN (me) and DRG in a dungeon. Tank pulls three mobs. I Mutilate and Shadowfang each mob BEFORE focusing on burning a single mob down. Why? Because I wanted to try something different. They WHM stopped healing the tank to tell me to just focus on burning the same mob as the DRG. WHM had to use Benediction because he was too busy typing.

[Reilyn]

Mentally, some of us just simply feel like, if you're on Job A and I'm on Job B, you must really not be doing much at all if you can let auto-attack kick it while you type lol... I'm usually quiet in dungeons, because someone ALWAYS find something to say. NIN (me) and DRG in a dungeon. Tank pulls three mobs. I Mutilate and Shadowfang each mob BEFORE focusing on burning a single mob down. Why? Because I wanted to try something different. They WHM stopped healing the tank to tell me to just focus on burning the same mob as the DRG. WHM had to use Benediction because he was too busy typing.

I might not detect that, and even if I did, I'd let that slide because it make some sort of sense (not about to run numbers in my head when I'm SCH dpsing).

Things that do make me put someone under the microscope include: no heavy thrust buff, no dancing edge/storm's, no maim, no disembowel. Basically, not doing the obvious stuff makes me question if a player does anything else right. That's the only reason I paid enough attention to one lvl50 DRG that was pressing buttons literally at random in stone vigil hard mode

There never was a single disembowel for that whole run, but a great many random impulse drives.

[Jim_Berry]

I might not detect that, and even if I did, I'd let that slide because it make some sort of sense (not about to run numbers in my head when I'm SCH dpsing).

Things that do make me put someone under the microscope include: no heavy thrust buff, no dancing edge/storm's, no maim, no disembowel. Basically, not doing the obvious stuff makes me question if a player does anything else right. That's the only reason I paid enough attention to one lvl50 DRG that was pressing buttons literally at random in stone vigil hard mode

There never was a single disembowel for that whole run, but a great many random impulse drives.

Oh, I agree. Some abilities are a no-brainer (NIN and Mudras). In comparison, if a NIN isn't using, say, Armor Crush, but is manually refreshing Huton with Mudras, I feel like that's his business. My THM is only 26 (since 2013), so I do not know how Enochian works (nor will I research it), but it sounds like an optional ability like Armor Crush, versus a mandatory ability like Viper or Wasp.

[Frederick22]

I was the healer in this group, first like me start out by saying it would have been better if you suggested to the BLM to use Enochian instead of putting them on the spot and asking them repeatedly why they didn't use it. After you said something, she started using it

. The reason the tank said those things was because they were in the same FC. I'll go out on a limb and say they are a couple. Yes, the first boss was taking forever, but there are a lot of new players around now and BLM was her first 60.

This was Fractal, it's not super hard and doesn't require people to know the ends and outs of their jobs. People learn at their own pace. if you want to suggest something they are doing wrong then that's fine. If they change, great! If not, either leave or just stay for the ride.

So if I meet a player that doesnt use any buff, combo, or any kind of rotation and all the does is to spam the atack, or even that the same playerr use wrong accesories to pass the ilvl lock. Then I should leave the game? Nop

Sorry but that BLM, as any orther job, had lot of oportunities on her way to lvl 60 to learn the rotations, and how to use buffs properly. He was with a partern right? Intersting that his friend didnt teach her how to play her job, neirther even to give her a guide or something.

Sadly the NA comunity is very toxic, most poeple is really lazy and dont even care about their job of what orthers said. They ust want to skip all and get to 60 asap.
Also the rest of the poeple dont seem to even care and even if the dont know the "bad players" they will always have aissue with the guy tring to "explain" him to to play beacause all they care is to beat the run as fast as possible.
Anyone who tried to explain to this players what todo, even if the teach them nicely. It inmedialty gets marked, they called them elistist, that they dont let new players play, that this is a game and fun = wipes, that this is not hardcore is dungeons, etc

Its really a shame.