Suggestion: Add Poetics to HW Levelling Dungeons

[Alahra]

However, doing Hunts is quite a bit faster than farming say Neverreap for law.

I had better luck with Neverreap and Fractal to be honest than I did A3 and A4 as they're fairly wipe-prone on my data center. But I didn't actually do them outside of Roulettes very often because I tried to diversify what I did to avoid burnout.

I haven't been able to enjoy WoW since Wrath of the Lich King, honestly. Cataclysm ruined the game for me and Mists only made it worse. Throw in the fact that I always preferred FFXI's art style to WoW's even though FFXI was quite dated and I doubt I'll play another MMO until FFXVII (or whatever numbered title gets to be the next MMO).

[Kaurie]

I had better luck with Neverreap and Fractal to be honest than I did A3 and A4 as they're fairly wipe-prone on my server. But I didn't actually do them outside of Roulettes very often because I tried to diversify what I did to avoid burnout.

Exactly the same. I didn't do any A3, and I had too many A4 wipes that I only did 10-20 runs (can't remember which).

However, if you compare to hunts there are 17 ARR A ranks and 12 HW A ranks, and hunts spawn every 4 hours on average. An ARR A rank provides 40 allied seals, 15 centurio seals, 30 poetics, 10 law (IIRC) and a HW A rank provides 40 Centurio Seals, 30 Poetics, 10 Law. So, from A ranks if you are soley hunting, every 4 hours you get an average of

17*40=680 allied seals, 30*17+30*12 = 870 poetics, + 10*17+10*12 = 290 Law

Then there are 17 ARR S ranks and 6 HW S ranks. I found HW S ranks uncommon, but ARR S ranks spawned fairly predictably shortly after their 2-3 day cooldown. So we'll say 17 ARR on average 3 days, or 5.6 per day, so on average you will find 1 per 4 hour session above. So in that 4 hour session you will have 100 poetics, 100 allied seals, 30 law.

So per 4 hours at Hunts

780 Allied seals = 78% of an item
970 poetics = 143% of an item
310 law = 46% of an item
Total = 2.67 items

Optimally, with running Neverreap, let's say you do once per 15 minutes (unlikely to average 15 minutes unless you get a preset group, but for sake of argument) = 4x per hour = 16 runs in a 4 hour session. You'll receive 1600 law = 2.35 items - this assumes 0 wait time on queues, which is also unlikely.

That said, if you were able to make a preset group that wanted to farm Neverreap (doubtful lol), and you all put out your best with great DPS you could probably complete it in 10 minutes average, or 6 runs per hour = 24 runs per session = 2400 law = 3.52 items per hour.

However, more likely, you'll have 20 minute runs with a 5 minute queue (you'll be in a quickish queue with crappy DPS or queue as DPS and be in a longer queue) for = 960 law per 4 hour session = 1.4 items

Now with Alex, you need 10 runs per item (with some bonus law thrown in). You're probably looking at 7-10 mins average per run (including queue times etc), so I'll use 8 for this. That means in 2 hours you'll do 30 runs for a total of 3.44 items per session

[Alahra]

Now with Alex, you need 10 runs per item (with some bonus law thrown in). You're probably looking at 7-10 mins average per run (including queue times etc), so I'll use 8 for this. That means in 2 hours you'll do 30 runs for a total of 3.44 items per session

Just about all of my Alex runs were longer than 10 minutes including queue times (the only turn that was regularly shorter than that was A1, and that was only for the first week or so on my data center), so at least from my experience, they're a lot closer than they appear if you factor in average runs (which you do for Neverreap but don't do for Alex—8 minutes is quite quick).

I tended toward Fractal personally (I find it runs more smoothly than Neverreap with PUG groups and therefore ends up generally being faster). 4-mans were also nice because I could pair up with just one friend and have a significant impact on the speed/efficiency of the run, whereas I'd need three or four to really impact how fast an Alex run would go.

[Ashkendor]

How are poetics even a problem? The game practically shoves them in your pocket at every turn.

I have to work way harder at getting Law. o.O

[Kaurie]

Just about all of my Alex runs were longer than 10 minutes including queue times (the only turn that was regularly shorter than that was A1, and that was only for the first week or so on my data center), so at least from my experience, they're a lot closer than they appear if you factor in average runs (which you do for Neverreap but don't do for Alex—8 minutes is quite quick).

I tended toward Fractal personally (I find it runs more smoothly than Neverreap with PUG groups and therefore ends up generally being faster). 4-mans were also nice because I could pair up with just one friend and have a significant impact on the speed/efficiency of the run, whereas I'd need three or four to really impact how fast an Alex run would go.

oh 8 was my average, for Alex 1. Out of 30-40, most took 7 minutes with a 1 minute queue - I had a couple at 4 minutes and like one or two at 15. I equate the 8 minute average of A1N with the 15 minute average of Neverreap - they're sort of average/optimal, but can easily move up or down via group composition and queue times.

[HaelseMikiro]

Why they don't add unidentified tokens for ESO? Would be great for players that don't play more than 2~3 classes, I have basically 2000 useless esoterics. I try to buy some gear for glamour just to be able to cap the weekly 450.

This is almost guaranteed to happen in patch 3.2 (currently scheduled for February), since SE will add a new tomestone for us to cap weekly, and allow us to trade in our Law Tomes for Esos at 2:1
All current items available for Law currently will be available at a cheaper price in Esos,and probably have an end result of being less grindy to accumulate. My primary question is whether they'll convert Poetics into Law tomes or not.

[Alahra]

oh 8 was my average, for Alex 1. Out of 30-40, most took 7 minutes with a 1 minute queue - I had a couple at 4 minutes and like one or two at 15. I equate the 8 minute average of A1N with the 15 minute average of Neverreap - they're sort of average/optimal, but can easily move up or down via group composition and queue times.

Yeah, A1 is actually really efficient. The other floors of Alex though, not so much. I think of the 50 or so runs I did, 20 were A1, 10 were A2 (I thought it would be faster, but once I had one token I had to "finish" the 10 runs), and 20 (it might have been 30, for a total of 60 runs, I don't quite remember) were A4, and the only one that was really worth the time upon reflection was A1. Roulettes and Hunts just ended up being far more efficient (and also a lot more relaxed—something that I find to be very important on longer grinds like this).

[Kaurie]

Yeah, A1 is actually really efficient. The other floors of Alex though, not so much. I think of the 50 or so runs I did, 20 were A1, 10 were A2 (I thought it would be faster, but once I had one token I had to "finish" the 10 runs), and 20 (it might have been 30, for a total of 60 runs, I don't quite remember) were A4, and the only one that was really worth the time upon reflection was A1. Roulettes and Hunts just ended up being far more efficient (and also a lot more relaxed—something that I find to be very important on longer grinds like this).

Yeah, I 100% agree. Both A4 and A3 actually can be pretty quick if you have a premade group with very skilled players etc, but in DF - different story. Either way, doing 10 runs of any floor is more than enough to bore me, that if I had done much more I probably would have uninstalled. Thankfully hunts were a way to get what we needed.

[Derio]

Simply because there are alot and I mean ALOT of new players who need the lvl 50 dungeons. As soon as you reduce the number of people queuing for 50 roulette or the dungeons themselves. Thats when you start hurting the system they have in place. Even if you add it alongside it there are certain people that would run the leveling queues only to be able to use post 50 skills.

[Alahra]

Yeah, I 100% agree. Both A4 and A3 actually can be pretty quick if you have a premade group with very skilled players etc, but in DF - different story. Either way, doing 10 runs of any floor is more than enough to bore me, that if I had done much more I probably would have uninstalled. Thankfully hunts were a way to get what we needed.

Definitely, I was bored with Alexander before I had even finished a full set of 190 gear.