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  1. #151
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    Eul's Avatar
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    Knot Destroyer
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    Asura
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I blame the specialist recipe that didn't give alternative for GSM, LTW, and WVR I choose them and none of them can make things for relic, only material for other specialist
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  2. #152
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    Lodestone Bait
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    Pandaemonium
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    Gladiator Lv 1
    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    Then we could come on here and use the same arguments they use, level a battler, farm scrips, the market determines the cost not us, get a friend to help you out and such.
    Except that they'd get the much better deal out of it since, well...you gotta level a battle class anyway. In the absolute worst case, you're Nin and have to level DRG to 34 and MNK to 42 for cross class so you can be at maximum efficiency. Compare that to 50 in "all" crafting classes and...yeah.

    Pretty sure they'd just go like:"'kay." Not to mention that battle classes are vastly more popular, leading to the drops either being so abundant that they're nearly worthless or so rare that it really doesn't matter (Like that coffin lid/wind up Echidna).

    Wouldn't work out.
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    Last edited by Zojha; 01-13-2016 at 10:34 AM.

  3. #153
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    Cynric Zerr
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    Sargatanas
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Not if they made them alex savage drops, cant just level a battle job and clear savage without putting some effort into gearing, learning rotations and such, just like the crafted items. And as unpopular as savage is it would either just make the raid more worthwhile and breath some life into it or a select few would do it and reap the reward, just like crafters. And it would also give crafters a fresh perspective. It's extremely one sided right now. Plus it wouldn't be mandatory for the crafters just like it isn't for the battle classes.

    If you want to do a "specialist" thing you could also make them direct drops but base the drops off your job.
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  4. #154
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    Felis's Avatar
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    What part do you find funny? I was confused by that comment. Do you mean that it's funny because they complain they can't make gil when they haven't even leveled a crafter? That seems pretty silly in game design, if that's what you mean. Crafting shouldn't be the only way to obtain gil and/or make these relics. It's really a part of this game that I hate with an immense passion and have no desire to be coerced in to it.
    More that they still found no way how to earn gil after 2 years without a crafter.

    If you hate crafter, then level up a gatherer, sell treasure maps and farm with a battle class mats by killing stuff and send out your retainers.
    Complaining about high costs is not the way to earn gil.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    That Malm Kelp must have sold for quite a bit.
    Try it with pudding flesh (as an example)
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    Last edited by Felis; 01-13-2016 at 05:37 PM.

  5. #155
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    Sayuri Himura
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    Cactuar
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    On Cactuar the prices really aren't too bad other than the BSM item (still only 250-300k each compared to other servers).

    I do think it's pretty messed up that to obtain just the initial anima weapon that it requires all of these specialist crafts. I'm afraid to see what will be required down the line, though I think they will tone down the next step or two in response to the harsh criticism.
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  6. #156
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    Charlotte Elise
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    Kujata
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Tank_N_Shank View Post
    On Cactuar the prices really aren't too bad other than the BSM item (still only 250-300k each compared to other servers).

    I do think it's pretty messed up that to obtain just the initial anima weapon that it requires all of these specialist crafts. I'm afraid to see what will be required down the line, though I think they will tone down the next step or two in response to the harsh criticism.
    They said the grind was tuned incredibly high because of how hard Savage was, the next raids are going to be significantly easier so it only makes sense that the Anima steps get easier too.
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  7. #157
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    Doki Waku
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    Faerie
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    The developers have a strange idea of what the word casual means.
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  8. #158
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    Lineage Razor
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doki View Post
    The developers have a strange idea of what the word casual means.
    This would be a fair accusation - if the devs had ever claimed the Relic or Anima weapons were casual. They haven't. Because they're not. Not even remotely. And they were never intended to be.

    They involve activities that are within the abilities of most casual players, but the long grind puts them WELL outside the casual category.

    It is players on these forums - not developers! - that keep insisting Relic/Anima are meant for casual players, in spite of the overwhelming evidence against this claim.
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  9. #159
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    Nazreen Eby
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 70
    My costs for anima were like 200k

    - Gathered all base mats myself or had a friend to help me
    - Used my linkshells and friends to get things crafted

    Costs are 100k tip, tiny crowns, mistletoes and all the teleports.
    Most mats even drop from maps and HQ i150 gear is enough for getting the diadem items HQ...

    At the first sight it was OMG how expensive but if you put in time and have good friends it isn't 8m (would've been 4m on my server if bought off MB). But maybe I'm just lucky ^^

    Btw listed it all up on here
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    Last edited by Werhusky; 01-13-2016 at 10:52 PM.

  10. #160
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    Kai Magnus
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    Leviathan
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Werhusky View Post
    My costs for anima were like 200k

    - Gathered all base mats myself or had a friend to help me
    - Used my linkshells and friends to get things crafted

    Costs are 100k tip, tiny crowns, mistletoes and all the teleports.
    Most mats even drop from maps and HQ i150 gear is enough for getting the diadem items HQ...

    At the first sight it was OMG how expensive but if you put in time and have good friends it isn't 8m (would've been 4m on my server if bought off MB). But maybe I'm just lucky ^^

    Btw listed it all up on here
    You're more than lucky. Being well connected with other high level gatherers and crafters almost makes you an exception to the rule as 3/5 players (Solo, Small FC, Defunct FC, ETC) don't have those kinds of connections. So congratulations on actually being able to do the quest how it was intended (No Sarcasm, completely serious)

    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    This would be a fair accusation - if the devs had ever claimed the Relic or Anima weapons were casual. They haven't. Because they're not. Not even remotely. And they were never intended to be.

    They involve activities that are within the abilities of most casual players, but the long grind puts them WELL outside the casual category.

    It is players on these forums - not developers! - that keep insisting Relic/Anima are meant for casual players, in spite of the overwhelming evidence against this claim.
    Come to think of it, The Devs almost always refer to the groups as "Raiders" and "Non-Raiders" rather than Hard Core and Casuals. ........

    Pardon me, while I re examine every things I've ever though about this MMO. <Leaves and beats head on nearest wall>
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    Last edited by Kaiser-Ace; 01-13-2016 at 10:59 PM.

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