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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
    Actually, this game is very on the rails, and does not allow people to play well using their own rotations based on preferance. *snip, shortened*
    You do realise you do more damage in astral fire with three stacks right, and very little damage in umbral ice. Also, your class has stupid mp regen, if you run out of mp, all you do is transponse, then cast blizz, and at most 6 seconds later you are full mp... there is no reason or logic between going to half mp. None at all, your preferance of this shows you have no understanding of how the class is built.
    Funny thing you mention 6 seconds, that can be the exact time where everyone but the black mage is still alive. And must I say that I checked the aggro I amass and get second in a party fast. Pretty sure using the ''official'' one grabs all the aggro from the tank. Often saw black mages fall too because of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel View Post
    Funny thing you mention 6 seconds, that can be the exact time where everyone but the black mage is still alive. And must I say that I checked the aggro I amass and get second in a party fast. Pretty sure using the ''official'' one grabs all the aggro from the tank. Often saw black mages fall too because of that.
    You may want to make sure you are targeting the mob the tank is. Also this is why quelling strikes is used for blm. But was does everyone but you dying have to do with the time it takes you to regain mp? You aren't the healer. And it's not lime you can't cast spells during this time. You just stick to any spells but ones that give you Astral fire stacks during the mp regen phase.

    Also how is everyone but the blm alive if you are the one grabbing aggro? Logic says if you grab aggro, you die first. Or the tank has died and you are second on the list, you die second. But you you grab aggro and then the tank dies, it is likely because you targetted a mob that is not the primary, then the haeler had to juggle you and the tank, resulting in a wipe with an inexperienced healer. Given your lack of understanding of the job, it is likely that you are part of the cause of the wipe.

    Also its not that you aren't using the "optimal" rotation for your job, you are using a terrible one. In this game you can't just do a random rotation and end up with 90% of the damage of the optimal one, the design does not allow for it. You end up with really really bad dps.

    Honestly, if you have been playing games for 20 years and throw that around, you should be able to figure this simple stuff out. That you are throwing it around while defending such an ignorant rotation and reasons for it just means you haven't learned all that that experience should teach you. Also with an aging gamer population, you should consider that that benchmark isn't a very good one to throw about, you will have many who have been gaming for 30+ on these forums. Actually, the only thing that much experience can really teach you is which way to hold the controller, and that you should read the tooltips.
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    Last edited by Whiteroom; 01-12-2016 at 11:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
    *snip, shortened*

    Also how is everyone but the blm alive if you are the one grabbing aggro? Logic says if you grab aggro, you die first. Or the tank has died and you are second on the list, you die second. But you you grab aggro and then the tank dies, it is likely because you targetted a mob that is not the primary, then the haeler had to juggle you and the tank, resulting in a wipe with an inexperienced healer. Given your lack of understanding of the job, it is likely that you are part of the cause of the wipe.

    Also its not that you aren't using the "optimal" rotation for your job, you are using a terrible one. In this game you can't just do a random rotation and end up with 90% of the damage of the optimal one, the design does not allow for it. You end up with really really bad dps.
    Because not enough mana means not grabbing the aggro. And I do believe that bliz spells grab way less than fire spells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel View Post
    Because not enough mana means not grabbing the aggro. And I do believe that bliz spells grab way less than fire spells.
    Because they do way less damage. You know, the thing you are there to do. But either way, you say you grab lots of aggro, which if there has been so many times with a party wipe, and you being the last to die, is untrue. Also, it's ideal for you to have aggro after the tank, that way every thing doesn't rush the healer if the tanks die. I have been BLMT many times, and its not that bad. Also, if you are building too much aggro on one target, its not the end of the world to throw one or two fires at some other mob while the tank solidifies aggro before switching back, a 20 year vet should be able to figure these things out.
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    Last edited by Whiteroom; 01-12-2016 at 11:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
    Because they do way less damage. You know, the thing you are there to do.
    I view black mages as polyvalent toolboxes that can pull a sleep spell on one annoying enemy at the right time, save the team at another with a well placed spell and actually staying where it is needed most. What I don't view the blackmage as: huge aggro grabbers that just spam fire as if that was the only thing they knew to do. Yes, I have a rotation, yes, it is effective, no, I don't run on empty mana, and no, I don't listen to ingame bullies as well as IRL ones. Now back to the real subject, the problem in the community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenseiSoriel View Post
    I view black mages as polyvalent toolboxes that can pull a sleep spell on one annoying enemy at the right time, save the team at another with a well placed spell and actually staying where it is needed most. What I don't view the blackmage as: huge aggro grabbers that just spam fire as if that was the only thing they knew to do. Yes, I have a rotation, yes, it is effective, no, I don't run on empty mana, and no, I do n't listen to ingame bullies as well as IRL ones. Now back to the real subject, the problem in the community.
    Which is funny, because a huge, huge problem with the community is dpa not being able to meet even mediocre dps checks, causing countless wipes in content, yet here you are, defending doing your job terribly... Also, it doesn't matter how you view the job, as has been stated many times to you. The BLM is a damage turret, the game design doesn't allow for the kind of play you want. Believe me, I really do wish that it did, it would be a lot more fun that way. But you are playing your way, at the expense of the team, you are a hinderance to your team, not a help. And the more you write the more I have to assume you are trolling, that is how inncorrect the things you are saying are.

    Also, there is no debate about in game bullies when you are the one promoting terrible playstyle that is a detriment to your team. If anything you are the bully for forcing such an absolutely bad teamate on them. Your style of play is better reserved for preformed rp parties where everyone knows they are playing poorly, but prefer the rp element over the play element.

    Also in regards to your view that everyone is attacking you, I read a saying recently, and this is not an attack, just something to consider:

    If you wake up in the morning and the first person you run into is an a-hole, they are the a-hole. If everyone you run into all day is an a-hole, you are the a-hole.
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    Last edited by Whiteroom; 01-12-2016 at 11:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
    *snip, not usefull to repeat what this persons type anymore*
    Let's just ignore him for now since he wants to keep the subject derailed and keep attacking me and my mini-gun playstyle.
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