Can we please stop locking content out of DF?

[Andrea]

Question: What if there was a DF that allowed parties of 7x with clear flag and 1x without. (or 8x with clear if queue pops that way). If there's a no-clear, first-time bonus is in play. 1 player to show through can't be that bad as long as 7 are confirmed to know the whole fight.

If im reading this right are you saying have it set up that every queue has 7 who have cleared and 1 who has not?

If that is the case that 99% of the time the once person without the clear is going to get carried. Why even bother doing the fight at all if you're just gonna get carried through it.

As I said I may be reading it wrong and you may not mean what I took it as and if thats the case sorry.

[Callback]

If im reading this right are you saying have it set up that every queue has 7 who have cleared and 1 who has not?

If that is the case that 99% of the time the once person without the clear is going to get carried. Why even bother doing the fight at all if you're just gonna get carried through it.

As I said I may be reading it wrong and you may not mean what I took it as and if thats the case sorry.

More of active learning. With 7 people who have cleared before, it's a much more reliable setup, and that player can focus on their own mistakes rather than randomly failing because someone else decided to screw up. the only time it would be "carried" with no chance to actually learn would be if they were to fall off any trial with an edge and not even get to see the rest of the fight. That's one issue with the game as a whole, tho. The death camera should be able to watch other people continue forward. (and do those deaths really need to be unreviveable? It's an insta-kill already, why make it worse?)

Are you suggesting that players can somehow play through a whole duty without actually learning it from the experience? The "carry" ensures that they are able to go through it properly and adjust to all of the mechanics in a safer environment than full randoms/multiple newcomers.

[Andrea]

Are you suggesting that players can somehow play through a whole duty without actually learning it from the experience? The "carry" ensures that they are able to go through it properly and adjust to all of the mechanics in a safer environment than full randoms/multiple newcomers.

You can indeed get carried through stuff without dying. For example, Me and another 6 people queue for A1S. We say get a dragoon. The dragoon doesnt die but does like 400 dps. That is a carry that didn't involve death.

Also im sorry but people that get carried 99% of the time probably don't even realize whats going on around them. Some, sure might understand and learn, but the majority would just look at it as an easy clear and learn nothing

[Kaurie]

You can indeed get carried through stuff without dying. For example, Me and another 6 people queue for A1S. We say get a dragoon. The dragoon doesnt die but does like 400 dps. That is a carry that didn't involve death.

Also im sorry but people that get carried 99% of the time probably don't even realize whats going on around them. Some, sure might understand and learn, but the majority would just look at it as an easy clear and learn nothing

Usually, the 4 DPS each have to grab 1 add each - in which case the DRG would need to learn to do this, or risk wiping everyone.

Although, I agree with your second point. Many people play poorly, but use the evidence of their clears of their skill. It's clear from the lack of their skill that they were carried in some fashion.

[Andrea]

Usually, the 4 DPS each have to grab 1 add each - in which case the DRG would need to learn to do this, or risk wiping everyone.

Although, I agree with your second point. Many people play poorly, but use the evidence of their clears of their skill. It's clear from the lack of their skill that they were carried in some fashion.

My example probably wasn't the best example to use but yeah I agree with people using clears as evidence of their skill when it could have just been a carry.

[Callback]

You can indeed get carried through stuff without dying. For example, Me and another 6 people queue for A1S. We say get a dragoon. The dragoon doesnt die but does like 400 dps. That is a carry that didn't involve death.

Also im sorry but people that get carried 99% of the time probably don't even realize whats going on around them. Some, sure might understand and learn, but the majority would just look at it as an easy clear and learn nothing

That seems improbable in a game this simple. How is it even physically possible to do that little in a game where "combat" is just point-and-click and pressing keys in the right order? I refuse to believe that it is possible to fail to master a duty in a single run through.

[Andrea]

That seems improbable in a game this simple. How is it even physically possible to do that little in a game where "combat" is just point-and-click and pressing keys in the right order? I refuse to believe that it is possible to fail to master a duty in a single run through.

Are we playing the same game...? Hell people still dont know about the bees in Sunken temple for example.

You are giving the community far too much credit to think someone wont "Fail to master a duty in a single run."

[Kaurie]

Are we playing the same game...? Hell people still dont know about the bees in Sunken temple for example.

You are giving the community far too much credit to think someone wont "Fail to master a duty in a single run."

Based off the majority of his posts, I would say he is just trolling Andrea.

[Callback]

Are we playing the same game...? Hell people still dont know about the bees in Sunken temple for example.

You are giving the community far too much credit to think someone wont "Fail to master a duty in a single run."

Sorry, I forgot that we had the "babby's first vidyagame" community and that somehow in a combat system that lets you pretend you're actually playing some people can still get confused.

[m3eansean]

Sorry, I forgot that we had the "babby's first vidyagame" community and that somehow in a combat system that lets you pretend you're actually playing some people can still get confused.

Considering how you only have one battle class to 60, in Void Ark gear and not a single piece of raiding gear (Alex Savage or Thordan EX) you haven't quite seen the challenging fights this game can present.