Can we please stop locking content out of DF?

[Kaurie]

Still no one using their PFs has given a reason how adding stuff to DF would effect them...

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I think the answer has already been stated that it's a cultural difference between NA/EU and JP in terms of viewing DF, and that the Dev team has it designed with the JP view in mind.

Another possibility, that has been suggested, is that it has to do with loot lockouts and potentially screwing over your team. This would require a rework of how loot lockouts work.

Another possibility, that has been suggested, is that the ilvl of player gear is below the recommended ilvl at the time of release.

All of that said, I think it should be in the DF and that they could simply address the concerns above.

[Andrea]

Still no one using their PFs has given a reason how adding stuff to DF would effect them...

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Honestly speaking I see no problem with everything being in the DF on release. While its not something that 100% needs to be in the game it would be a good change none the less and I wouldn't mind if I saw it in the next patch notes.

Sure they would need to fix the few current problems that would come with it before bringing it in but they same easy enough changes and would help the community.

[Ossom]

Im all for putting content in DF, especially raid content. I don't mind wiping for hours on end on my alt class since I never get to raid as it. Though you should understand that Thordan, AS1-AS4, you're not clearing that in a DF unless you get people who have already cleared it before carrying the people who haven't. This means that they are most likely locked out already too so you won't be seeing many/any gear even if you do get carried (atleast in the raid's case).

[FeliAiko]

As long as this community prefers to use DF the way they do - as well as the nature of DF itself - attempting to marry it with high-level team coordinated content will never work. Unless you alter said content drastically, which leads to Alexander Normal Mode. Expecting that element to succeed with Savage, on launch, where things like team composition alone (an element DF doesn't account for, as it just throws whoever, as long as it's a tank/dps/healer) is a factor on success is simply naive. When DF, for example, can throw you in a party with 3 BRDs and a MCH as your DPS, along with 2 ASTs and 2 PLDs, no sensible person is going to bother sticking around. In VA such a comp wouldn't make a difference because the bar is pretty low there, but it wouldn't fly in much difficult content.

A more sensible suggestion would be to implement a cross-server PF feature. In fact this is something Yoshi himself said he wants to do, so you should push for that.

[UBERHAXED]

Stuff like Thordan? Sure. I'm not exactly sure why they don't go to the DF immediately. Highest level raid content? It wouldn't work because of the loot system. Difficulty has nothing to do with it.

[Meirii]

To me there really is no reason to lock the content out, its can be very challenging to find a group and many can fall apart faster than a DF group.

[Undeadfire]

DF will stand a chance in A1S/A2S but god no for A3S/A4S, you're living in a dream world from reality if you think you stand a fighting chance with a DF group.

No casters for A2S? Good Bye. No one able to drive? Good bye.

No Warrior and too many melee DPS, or no melee DPS for A3S? Good Bye. (Protean Wave will wipe the group in an instant without defined communication as it's the starting phase) Did I ever mention DPS check is pretty heavy? Digititus requires Voice Communication, you can't do it without in the final phase, including the tethers in add phase. Unless you got some very high end DPS, dying even once or twice is a game over. Brink of Death: you're out fully and not surviving anything.

A4S? Don't even bother, unless you can control the quarantines, you're not winning, not even close. You have to strictly limit it to 3 (Tanks will die if more) and the DPS check is taken further. Dying even once is game over, unless you're on the final phase doing Pentacles. You cannot defeat this fight unless double melee, best around HQ food, HQ X/Draco Pots for the 3rd leg, Back on your feet 2 FC buff for pentacles and optimal DPS of what the job can do, DF players will never do/have this.

In short words, Alexander Savage requires strict setups to optimize the DPS checks. Melee DPS clock the highest DPS while Mch/Brd do the lowest, tanks have to contribute heavy DPS to push hard enough in A3s/A4s.

They won't put DF for that reason, it's a waste of time and it's going to congest serious raid groups who are actually progressing it. SE are not going to put it on DF, no matter how many times you complain upon 6 months of being out, they won't do it. It will start angering the raid groups who agreed to show up at a set time only to be told the DF server is full, I would seriously be angry if PUGs are prioritizing over my Raid Group for some mere curiosity when I could be going in clearing it, wasting 8 man groups time. The other reason? To avoid lag from the server while in battle. Raid server is an exclusive server for Raid Groups, only to be used on the latest raid (Captain Obvious)

MMOs are not meant for everyone and paying monthly to a MMO doesn't give you any right to demand I should be having this equip, or have this fight in DF. Savage raiding takes more than 1 week to clear fully (Excluding FCOB), it will take you months upon months if you seriously think you stand a fighting chance at release. No one is going to stoop to that level of patience just to win a fight. It's annoying enough for people to get carried and claim they completed the fight only to be shown they're a let down, this is what the JP avoid and successful in doing it.

I'm sorry if your life takes too much of your time for high end raiding and you will NEVER get proper experience in any of the fights.

[DarkB]

They won't put DF for that reason, it's a waste of time and it's going to congest serious raid groups who are actually progressing it. SE are not going to put it on DF, no matter how many times you complain upon 6 months of being out, they won't do it. It will start angering the raid groups who agreed to show up at a set time only to be told the DF server is full, I would seriously be angry if PUGs are prioritizing over my Raid Group for some mere curiosity when I could be going in clearing it, wasting 8 man groups time. The other reason? To avoid lag from the server while in battle. Raid server is an exclusive server for Raid Groups, only to be used on the latest raid (Captain Obvious)

MMOs are not meant for everyone and paying monthly to a MMO doesn't give you any right to demand I should be having this equip, or have this fight in DF. Savage raiding takes more than 1 week to clear fully (Excluding FCOB), it will take you months upon months if you seriously think you stand a fighting chance at release. No one is going to stoop to that level of patience just to win a fight. It's annoying enough for people to get carried and claim they completed the fight only to be shown they're a let down, this is what the JP avoid and successful in doing it.

I'm sorry if your life takes too much of your time for high end raiding and you will NEVER get proper experience in any of the fights.

Wait lemme get this right. You are saying that the reason why they dont put Savage on DF is because of its mechanics (which havin DF available would produce more people tryin the content > getting used to mechanic > learning mechanic) and because its gonna congest serious raid groups who are actually progressing it (how on earth do you even come up with this total nonsense? lol congest how? Hey you ok man?).

Last part of your post is the most rude, childish, unreal, nonsense words i've ever read since years playing online. "MMOs are not meant for everyone and paying monthly to a MMO doesn't give you any right to demand I should be having this equip, or have this fight in DF" But it gives you the right to think that other people shouldnt have an alternative? get off your white pedestal.

Stunned how bad this community has become lol, yet funny to see the level of nonsense you can find on forums.

[StouterTaru]

paying monthly to a MMO doesn't give you any right to demand I should be having this equip, or have this fight in DF

Who is demanding stuff here? This isn't communist fantasy, where they tell us how to have fun. They do pay attention to feedback and suggestions.

"Throw this ball at that wall, and catch it when it comes back."
"Can I kick it, or bounce it off the ground."
"NO. THIS BALL. THAT WALL. NOW."

[vp_cmc]

No, he says, that some fights in this game require specific party setup. Not every job composition is ok for these fights until it becomes to be overgeared.