Please, Developers, Please! Put an end to Easy Mode thinking

[Bled]

no, it is the truth. pulling the same mob over and over to kill it for hours on end is exactly that. standard bashing crafts for days on end making the same item is exactly that. they are both repetitive and non entertaining, but the only reason you do them is to gain sp/exp to gain ranks so you can do other things. they completely fit the definition you gave and it matches them both perfectly.

Welcome to MMO's if you don't like that PORTION of the game which resembles growth and progression, then your in the wrong genre. When you take out levels (leveling), skill, mobs, sp, exp, fighting, group fighting, what have you, well... you pretty much end up with a book (which is fine just not the reason i play games).

If something is difficult it takes invested time to reap the benefits.

If i had a super challenging fight yet i beat it on the first try, is that really truly difficult? Difficult is characterized as causing hardship or problems any content you can blow through with no problems makes things less difficult in my eyes.

[darkstarpoet1]

Welcome to MMO's if you don't like that PORTION of the game which resembles growth and progression, then your in the wrong genre. When you take out levels (leveling), skill, mobs, sp, exp, fighting, group fighting, what have you, well... you pretty much end up with a book (which is fine just not the reason i play games).

If something is difficult it takes invested time to reap the benefits.

If i had a super challenging fight yet i beat it on the first try, is that really truly difficult? Difficult is characterized as causing hardship or problems any content you can blow through with no problems makes things less difficult in my eyes.

how am i in the wrong genre? all i did was point out you made a completely false statement by saying someone is trying to cast an insult by using the word grind. i have no problems with grinding, but i also don't look at it as a bad thing. grinding is doing something over and over to get higher ranks and there is nothing wrong with it, but you acted like that word was some kind of profanity laced insult.

grinding is exactly what it is. it is grinding through the repetitive and boring aspect to gain access to other pieces of content and it is in most every rpg and mmo on the market. it is not a bad thing.

you showed a definition and stated it was insulting and all i did was point out that they were exactly what the definition implied it was. it is not a bad thing for something to be a grind so don't take saying it is a grind as some kind of personal attack.

[Bled]

how am i in the wrong genre? all i did was point out you made a completely false statement by saying someone is trying to cast an insult by using the word grind. i have no problems with grinding, but i also don't look at it as a bad thing. grinding is doing something over and over to get higher ranks and there is nothing wrong with it, but you acted like that word was some kind of profanity laced insult.

grinding is exactly what it is. it is grinding through the repetitive and boring aspect to gain access to other pieces of content and it is in most every rpg and mmo on the market. it is not a bad thing.

you showed a definition and stated it was insulting and all i did was point out that they were exactly what the definition implied it was. it is not a bad thing for something to be a grind so don't take saying it is a grind as some kind of personal attack.

If you enjoy it then why to you categorize it as non-entertaining... I like progressing my character so as a result i like growing levels by defeating mobs. and every aspect of the game has repetitive natures yet we avoid from calling them grinds why? because we actually enjoy them?

i stated that the term was derogatory not some insult, the term is disparaging and it dosent have to be if you don't label it as such..

[weeble]

If you enjoy it then why to you categorize it as non-entertaining... I like progressing my character so as a result i like growing levels by defeating mobs. and every aspect of the game has repetitive natures yet we avoid from calling them grinds why? because we actually enjoy them?

grind can be very entertaining if done correctly. take weapons in moon(they were magic type) they took alot of work to do, pulling for brd was lots of fun for me even though repetitive. imps, specially at the lowest levels, any mob that needed debuffs and dispells, mages had a lot of work and grinds were very fun. thf? specially garleigh and lowbie levels, lining up and everything, fun fun fun all day. add something for every class to stay on top of an not be half afk eating chips and watching tv while do it and then it not boring.

gear itself the longer it takes to get the more happier u will be when it drops. the reality is weather u want a challenge or not, you are basically looking for a offline game. those take a week or month to beat no matter how hard, it's the grinds that keep you playing for years, it's progression, it's hard to get gear and weapons. or you move on to a new game like offliners. it will never matter how hard it is, outside of av hard, u still be done quick. and no matter how u look at it SE or any other game ain't putting out that much content.

we would have to pay like 80bucks a month for a game with enough content for everything to be without grind. aka cost of a offline game.

[Bled]

grind can be very entertaining if done correctly. take weapons in moon(they were magic type) they took alot of work to do, pulling for brd was lots of fun for me even though repetitive. imps, specially at the lowest levels, any mob that needed debuffs and dispells, mages had a lot of work and grinds were very fun. thf? specially garleigh and lowbie levels, lining up and everything, fun fun fun all day. add something for every class to stay on top of an not be half afk eating chips and watching tv while do it and then it not boring.

gear itself the longer it takes to get the more happier u will be when it drops. the reality is weather u want a challenge or not, you are basically looking for a offline game. those take a week or month to beat no matter how hard, it's the grinds that keep you playing for years, it's progression, it's hard to get gear and weapons. or you move on to a new game like offliners. it will never matter how hard it is, outside of av hard, u still be done quick. and no matter how u look at it SE or any other game ain't putting out that much content.

we would have to pay like 80bucks a month for a game with enough content for everything to be without grind. aka cost of a offline game.

See i agree but because it is entertaining that debunks the whole definition of "grind" thus i call it progression and think of grind as derogatory.

[Cxplorer]

I don't want this game to be hard like FFXI!! I like easy and non complicated quest. Grinding hour for just a freaking level IS NOT FUN! I mean, people got lives and doesn't have time to waste 5 hours to lvl up or do a quest you know ....

[weeble]

I don't want this game to be hard like FFXI!! I like easy and non complicated quest. Grinding hour for just a freaking level IS NOT FUN! I mean, people got lives and doesn't have time to waste 5 hours to lvl up or do a quest you know ....

then play an offline game, no one is here to pay 16bucks a month for offline game time, but without the great offline graphics and gameplay. offline seems perfect for ya, it takes no time to do ..i don't get it. i want to pay monthly for something that is less story wise, gameplay wise and time sink wise then any offliner in creation ..don't say cause party play cause most that don't want grind also don't want party play. the reality is you got plenty of time to play the mmo, we humans live to be like 70-90's these days, u got lots of time to play ... what the prob is u want to rape a game and toss it away for the next. mmo's aren't like that, ...at least they shouldn't be.

[Cxplorer]

then play an offline game, no one is here to pay 16bucks a month for offline game time, but without the great offline graphics and gameplay. offline seems perfect for ya, it takes no time to do ..i don't get it. i want to pay monthly for something that is less story wise, gameplay wise and time sink wise then any offliner in creation ..don't say cause party play cause most that don't want grind also don't want party play. the reality is you got plenty of time to play the mmo, we humans live to be like 70-90's these days, u got lots of time to play ... what the prob is u want to rape a game and toss it away for the next. mmo's aren't like that, ...at least they shouldn't be.

I payed for the game and I have my rights to ask what I desire in it! Freedom of speech yo!

Also,you don't ven know my gaming habits so don't talk about them when you don't know nothing about me or what I do in my life.

[Murugan]

I don't want this game to be hard like FFXI!! I like easy and non complicated quest. Grinding hour for just a freaking level IS NOT FUN! I mean, people got lives and doesn't have time to waste 5 hours to lvl up or do a quest you know ....

Maybe it doesn't take everyone 5 hours to figure out a "complicated quest". If you don't have the "5 hours" it takes you to do anything that is difficult, challenging, or complex then here is a idea... don't do it. But why do you have such a need to deprive people who want challenge and depth in their game the opportunity? We pay for the game too, how about you respect our right to enjoy it also.

Add this user to your ignore list? I think so...

[weeble]

I payed for the game and I have my rights to ask what I desire in it! Freedom of speech yo!

Also,you don't ven know my gaming habits so don't talk about them when you don't know nothing about me or what I do in my life.

your rights yo! or no different them mine. i'm stating my opinions, don't cry over them ...just answer the questions in stead. your money is no diff then any one elses, but lets not take into account the history off all mmo's being a grind, lets not take into account that ffxi was a grind, lets just take into account what this game launched with and ...it was a grind in it. they all have and had grind, you payed for a game with grind in it and now your grasping se's crotch for no grind.

i also don't need to know your gaming habits, i'm making assumptions weather they right or not towards you, others are in the category. your rank 35 only says one thing that u not play for over a month since it takes 1hr to hit rank 12 and it probably take nothing to hit 35. there people hitting 45-50 in 1 day, so i know exactly your game type, it's not playing at all and still wanting what everyone has.