The arrogance of some people

[Odett]

Well, while I do not play healer, I do think this has something to do with the trinity. if a dps had the abilities of healing the party, or could tank reliably, and it was expected of them to do their part along with help tanks and healers while they dps in order to succeed, is it really the trinity anymore?

We're dealing with "if's" here, though. DPS can't reliably heal others, or tank effectively, because they lack the abilities to do so. We play using a trinity, but it's worth to see what your job can do outside the trinity task that you're assigned in order to push boundaries and help out your group members more, because ultimately, that's your real job: to help your other group members the most you can. Healers can do this because they are not required to heal all the time. It's not just limited to healers, however. For example, if I run a dungeon as a PLD and my healer is DPSing, I'll tell them that I will Clemency myself because PLD AoE damage is nearly nonexistent sans Circle of Scorn, that way or group can clear pulls in a more effective manner. Granted, I can't Clemency myself forever, but it's a nice thing you can do as a task outside your assigned role in the trinity in order to make up for my lack of AoE DPS.

It's better to look at the trinity and your job in it as the absolute minimum that is required of you, and it helps your group when you strive to perform tasks beyond what is required. I hope I understood your question correctly.

So? Those numbers, while not high, are being expected. So if its okay for tanks and healers to encroach on dps performance, why can't dps classes do the same? I would certainly love to see dancer make an entrance, and this might as well be the reason.

I answered that in the first paragraph of this post. Also, a SCH's DPS can be very close with that of a DPS role, so it IS quite substantial.

[Kallera]

I answered that in the first paragraph of this post. Also, a SCH's DPS can be very close with that of a DPS role, so it IS quite substantial.

Doesn't cut into the worth of a dps then? If the other roles have jobs that can do damage comparable to a dps job, well that sounds like a good idea for people tired of dps players.

Why do these threads always end up the same way?

[Odett]

Doesn't cut into the worth of a dps then?

There's a few pages back in this thread where someone was trying to make a point similar to this but in a very immature way. No, not at all. Your question would only make sense if there was a group cap on DPS. There isn't. If you have the tools to help you group beyond what's required of you, you should do it. It's as simple as that.

[Kallera]

There's a few pages back in this thread where someone trying to make a point similar to this but in a very immature way. No, not at all. Your question would only make sense if there was a group cap on DPS. There isn't. If you have the tools to help you group beyond what's required of you, you should do it. It's as simple as that.

Alright, I understand. But I give this lesson about a week before the trinity starts blaming each other again, its like the airline food joke of forum threads.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Doesn't cut into the worth of a dps then? If the other roles have jobs that can do damage comparable to a dps job, well that sounds like a good idea for people tired of dps players.

Why do these threads always end up the same way?

I say we should save our replies and just copypasta everything over and over again whenever the subject comes up.