Please don't join endgame content with a job you dont know how to play

[KeluBehemoth]

I honestly don't even give a shit about challenge or accomplishment or bragging rights any more. I just want to have fun and wiping Ravana EX 50 times with people in i200 is not fun and neither is spending 100+ hours (the length of a full release game!) grinding menial tasks!

[Kaurie]

I honestly don't even give a shit about challenge or accomplishment or bragging rights any more. I just want to have fun and wiping Ravana EX 50 times with people in i200 is not fun.

So run Sastasha normal mode, problem solved \o/

As for the OP, I think it boils more down to 1. know basics of your job and 2. make a learning PF if you are not comfortable in an endgame environment with that job yet.

[KeluBehemoth]

So run Sastasha normal mode, problem solved \o/

As for the OP, I think it boils more down to 1. know basics of your job and 2. make a learning PF if you are not comfortable in an endgame environment with that job yet.

You missed the point about spending 100+ hours grinding menial tasks (the length of an actual full release game) not being fun.

[Kaurie]

You missed the point about spending 100+ hours grinding menial tasks (the length of an actual full release game) not being fun.

I didn't say to run it more than once >.>

[KyahAlmasy]

What game are you playing? They still have to level the job to 60 and have the ilvl req to join end game content. They cant just throw the ast weapon on and be an ast at 60. Contradicted yourself a bit there. Perhaps when they read effect cannot be stacked they thought it meant with their own skills. Because WHM can stack regens.... Perhaps instead of raging you should explain to them that they should be in NOCT while you cover the other.

Because FATE grinding requires a player to know their job right? You know how many players are out there who FATE grinded from 50-60 and literally have no idea how the job operates? And never even completed the job quests for all the skills? Just because you got to 60 doesn't mean you know how the job works. So no, I didn't contradict anything.

And who said I was raging on anyone? If you read my comments in this thread, I did stop the group to calmly explain to them how AST works, and explained how the skills worked. But I don't feel that it was right for them to join endgame content without any idea of how their job works, it's disrespectful to the other players who are there to clear the content. I have a level 60 Dragoon in tome gear, but I have no idea how it works, or how the chains are done -- am I going to joina Thordan ex so I can learn? No, I would not. And I certainly wouldn't be surprised if I pissed a lot of people off or got kicked really fast for being clueless the entire run. Perhaps you should be less presumptious and actually get an idea of what this thread is about before hopping on your white horse to defend a cause that was never the problem in the first place.

[KeluBehemoth]

Make the content easier (not too easy) and everybody wins. Because right now, for a long time since coil, this game is not fun and nothing in it is fun. Everything is mindless grinding or face bashing insanely hard.

[KyahAlmasy]

You'd be surprised how hard meteor placement can be, especially with inexperienced players. Your groups may have had an easy enough time with it but from personal experience if even one person doesn't fully understand the concept it's a wipe. I was the main reason my group wiped when I did it unsynced for the first time and I ended up leaving. I wasn't the only one screwing it up either. I understand the concept now but that was after practice and watching vids, which watching vids should never be expected of someone btw.

Even if half the party dies, and there's 1 DD and 2 tanks and a healer you can clear T9. That's how gimped it is to level 60s. Even if you know all the mechanics to Ravana or Thordan you can still wipe, even with a full party. One mistep, one missed heal, or forgotten provoke and it's gg. It takes actual effort and coorindation to complete. For t9, even with minimum knowledge of the fight it can be cleared. That would not be something I'd say falls under endgame.

[Kaurie]

Make the content easier (not too easy) and everybody wins. Because right now, for a long time since coil, this game is not fun and nothing in it is fun. Everything is mindless grinding or face bashing insanely hard.

I agree that current stuff is less fun, but the difficulty level of Ravana is not one of the problems. I'd just like to see more dynamic encounters, rather than scripted ones. The issue with Rav is it's a very scripted fight. Add some AI or something maybe.

[KyahAlmasy]

So run Sastasha normal mode, problem solved \o/

As for the OP, I think it boils more down to 1. know basics of your job and 2. make a learning PF if you are not comfortable in an endgame environment with that job yet.

I agree. I don't mind if a player doesn't know every nuance or strategy to their job (Like which skills compliment, and go well with each other.) but if you didn't even take the 2 seconds to read your skills than please, don't join endgame.

[TheUltimateSeph]

Even if half the party dies, and there's 1 DD and 2 tanks and a healer you can clear T9. That's how gimped it is to level 60s. Even if you know all the mechanics to Ravana or Thordan you can still wipe, even with a full party. One mistep, one missed heal, or forgotten provoke and it's gg. It takes actual effort and coorindation to complete. For t9, even with minimum knowledge of the fight it can be cleared. That would not be something I'd say falls under endgame.

Well all I have left to contribute is to say if you don't like inexperienced players in your end game content don't use the Duty Finder. That should be common sense. If you use DF expect the absolute worst, because you WILL get it. PF is there for people like you who don't want to deal with this.

Edit: Yeah T9 takes coordination* and effort to clear too. Unsynced at level 60 may not require as much effort but coordination is still needed. Besides if you are syncing to clear either ARR raids or HW raids (Savage Alex, normal is a joke) both require a lot of effort so don't try to distract from the fact that according to your stated parameters (aside from needing level 60 to participate) that ARR end content no longer qualifies as being end game because you can gimp it. That's a pretty weak excuse.