The arrogance of some people

[KaitlanKela]

hmmm.... so next time I'm sat at less than a 1000 mp and a bard doesn't sing ballad for me when I ask nicely, I can kick them for harassment?
or if I tank and require goad and don't get it...
they're not using their full tool set...

what a lovely community we have <3

Um, if their mentality is "it's not my job to manage YOUR MP" or "it's not my job to manage threat, I'm not the tank." Then, yes, yes you can.

[Odett]

'Healers that don't dps are bad' is an opinion.

If no significant damage is going out and I'm just standing there as a healer doing nothing, or worse, overhealing, then I'm bad. Sorry, bud, there's no other way around that because let me repeat myself again, this game was not designed around healers healing full time. THAT is a fact and you can enter any dungeon and easily notice it. Me maining DRK, spamming Power Slash combo, and not using Darkside would also make me bad. Sure, I CAN play like that if I want, there's nothing stopping me, but I also lose all right to complain when I get kicked from a group and expect people to sympathize with me.

[SlyTribal]

hmmm.... so next time I'm sat at less than a 1000 mp and a bard doesn't sing ballad for me when I ask nicely, I can kick them for harassment?
or if I tank and require goad and don't get it...
they're not using their full tool set...

what a lovely community we have <3

Indeed, they aren't helping the party as completely as they can

[Yukariko]

Um, if their mentality is "it's not my job to manage YOUR MP" or "it's not my job to manage threat, I'm not the tank." Then, yes, yes you can.

cool cool,

because TBH healers can't win, tanks get comms just for showing up, I keep everybody at 100% and shielded i'm "lazy" I stance dance like a pro which means I sometimes yo-yo the tanks HP "I'm bad at healing"...

[KaitlanKela]

cool cool,

because TBH healers can't win, tanks get comms just for showing up, I keep everybody at 100% and shielded i'm "lazy" I stance dance like a pro which means I sometimes yo-yo the tanks HP "I'm bad at healing"...

I main a SCH. This is far from my experience in-game. I never get accused of being lazy or being a bad healer. I just show up, do my best, nobody ever has anything bad to say. Comms are nice, I get them often, but not all the time. IDK, I feel like this is normal.

If you're getting reamed by your parties constantly, has it occurred to you that you may actually be doing something wrong?

ETA for some humor: If you're after comms, the best way to do it is to let a DPS die and then insta-res them. They will assume they stood in a mechanic or something and that you were right on top of it for saving them so fast. Works EVERY time. Now, whether or not those comms were because you were a "good" healer is debatable.

[Imoen]

tanks get comms just for showing up.

What? That is ridiculous, you have no idea if that is true or not.

Just depends on the people that are in the party. Sorry you're having bad luck with comms >.>

On topic: I really don't care if a healer DPS's or not, as long as we get through faster than the speed of snail. although if you are standing around pressing no buttons I do question how you are not falling asleep at your machine.

[KaitlanKela]

What? That is ridiculous, you have no idea if that is true or not.

QFT: I get more comms as a healer than a tank. Prolly cause I'm an alright healer and a really crappy tank. Ahahaha....

[Yukariko]

I main a SCH. This is far from my experience in-game. (snip)
If you're getting reamed by your parties constantly, has it occurred to you that you may actually be doing something wrong?

Oh no, I never get anything bad in parties, just the usual "hello" at most, if I'm lucky, but the way these massive threads pop up on the forums every month or so about if/when/should a healer DPS, it just feels like that's how it is, coming from the noisy minority here.

[Culfinrandir]

While what you said is true about it being useless in cleric stance. I personally feel lustrate has gotten better with the ability to crit. I've been healing far more per lustrate in 3.x content than I ever did in ARR.

The ability to crit sure is delicious but I'd take knowing that three Lustrates will restore 75%, each & every time whichever stance I'm in over what it became. Heck, I'd settle for status quo with the addition of Benediction as a cross-skill. It's all down to situation & game play style though really; I just like to have a safety net spell for when things go terribad. XD

[Caitlinzulu]

I can accept that healers can/should dps when they have nothing to do but how many seconds of healing downtime can you have before dps is "required".
Some people are skilled enough to weave in some dps-skills in between one or two gcd. But others will trip over their skills when they try to do that and perhaps even lead to tank death when they are too late to resume healing. Lets see how dps efficient that is :P.

And did anyone did any real life tests as to how much healer dps actually speeds up killing of mobs/shortening dungeon run time? Same with tank dps?