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  1. #71
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    Whiteroom's Avatar
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    T'erra Branford
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 80
    If you are healing only, you are doing the primary part of your job, nothing more. You are in fact being lazy, regardless of wether or not the dps.are also being lazy.

    It's not like dpsing doesn't help you either. The stuns provided by holy are essentially a free hallowed ground for the whole group, while damaging the mobs. A HP saved is a HP earned.
    Tbh, I have no idea how people can just heal, any time I've tried, I immediately fall back to dpsing because its so boring. Regardless of what you claim to have healed in the past, that does not make you "great" at the role, a great player will use the full toolkit, not just 4-5 spells. But from bashing ethers, I assume you're a troll.
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  2. #72
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    worldofneil's Avatar
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    Scott Pilgrim
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lexia View Post
    Like if you a whm i don't see anything wrong with throw aero or something on the on mob but throwing on cleric stance and trying to be a second class black mage is what I think most don't like.
    Any healer trying to do DPS actually has to switch to Cleric Stance to do any real damage. Otherwise their INT level will be so low, the actual damage from something like Aero (potency 25!) is going to be so little, it's probably not even worth bothering about compared to the MP cost.
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  3. #73
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    FoxyAreku's Avatar
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Were you actually actively healing the whole time, or were you just standing there being lazy?

    Usually when healers don't dps, it's the latter. There is NEVER a reason to just stand there doing nothing as any job in the game when you're in a dungeon, so if it was the latter I probably would have said something to you too.
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  4. #74
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    RiceisNice's Avatar
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    Flo Fyloord
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    Famfrit
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    It's honestly more of a game problem and a community thing. 2.0 wasn't too bad from what I remember and is how it still should be. It wasn't a requirement nor as expected as much but if you could pump out the DPS to help more then great!
    The design of encounters, including some in Savage, really do not encourage tanks to be "more durable", just "durable enough". None of the acessories actively help in mitigating damage so it's almost never preferred over dps acessories (which well, add more dps and actually make your tanking job a bit easier in regards to aggro)


    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Compared to say WoW, health is dropping down constantly on everyone in the group or the hits are that big on the tank, they have no choice but to heal requiring the healer to stay busy healing.
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    Since you brought up WoW, their roles are also enforced much more so based on your specialization rather than job. It enforces it to the point that you actually do not have a lot of passives or skills that are specifically for dpsing, and therefore become less efficient than an actual dps. Gaining gear as a tank also actively makes your role of tanking easier outside of straight armor values. It's more of a problem in FFXIV when a warrior in deliverance stance is not only capable of doing dps, but doing dps comparable to acutal dps jobs. Combine that with natural emnity modifiers in their combos, higher vitality and higher armor values, they are essentially a dps that can happen to tank.


    And also, people should stop taking the conjurer quest out of context; Slyphie isn't opposed to "using dps abilities" and wanting to just heal, but rather the refusal to learn about the elements (which isn't exclusively related to using dps spells, at least not explicitly mentioned as such).
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    Last edited by RiceisNice; 01-04-2016 at 02:36 AM.

  5. #75
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    Taban's Avatar
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    Taban Highwind
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by LazyMemories View Post
    You know what valiid point!
    But when is the last time you really had to cast mage ballad besides 8man raids or trials?
    NEVER!
    This morning I use paeon in between pulls. If dps are aoe'ing down a pack they can run out their tp pretty quickly. Besides that I use requiem/paeon/ballad depending on the situation a decent bit.
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    Am I a butterfly dreaming I'm a man... Or a bowling ball dreaming I'm a plate of sashimi?

  6. #76
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    MeeDeggiThePunisher's Avatar
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    Sevro Barca
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    Leviathan
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Some healers just aren't comfortable with DPSing and I'm perfectly OK with that. I'd rather they just heal than to stress them out by making them stance dance.
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  7. #77
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    SlyTribal's Avatar
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    Sly Tribal
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    Balmung
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    Ninja Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    And also, people should stop taking the conjurer quest out of context; Slyphie isn't opposed to "using dps abilities" and wanting to just heal, but rather the refusal to learn about the elements (which isn't exclusively related to using dps spells, at least not explicitly mentioned as such).
    She specifically says she only wants to heal. She says she doesn't want to use the element's power as she believes people are stealing them (shown when she realises the Elements are actually helping/lending their power).
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  8. #78
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    Vaddix Krieg
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    Exodus
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    Warrior Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaFox View Post
    Lets just put it like this, its the difference between an okay healer and a good healer. Your job is to keep the tank alive, if things die quicker cus of your help they take less damage.
    yaa a healer who can dps shows their skill and confidence in there job. im not that great a healer and yet i manage to heal and dps. Also, if you are so against dpsing as a healer then i hope your not planning on raiding
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  9. #79
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    Naruke's Avatar
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    Jade Stonelili
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    Ragnarok
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    Sage Lv 90
    As healer I can say that I was angry when SE decided to not put Accuracy in Heavensward Healer's Items. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...er-s-equipment
    In dungeon doing DPS is the best thing you can do.. More DPS = Faster run = more time to do something else.
    As healer I LOVE heal and I HAVE TO HEAL but if I'm seeing a good Tank or a "dead" moment in that fight what I have to do? Rubbing my balls? I switch in Cleric Stance and do some DPS and being helpful in that content.
    Talking about Alexander Savage if healers dont do DPS, trust me, 80% of statics cant close the content. Now with this gears of course you can .. but healers help is always a good stuff.
    Anyway ALWAYS blame who is arrogant or something like that.. is a game and you have to play and relax how you want/like.. but if someone is giving you an advice.. just take it
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    Last edited by Naruke; 01-04-2016 at 03:13 AM.

  10. #80
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    Flo Fyloord
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    Famfrit
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by SlyTribal View Post
    She specifically says she only wants to heal. She says she doesn't want to use the element's power as she believes people are stealing them (shown when she realises the Elements are actually helping/lending their power).
    Which is entirely different from "i dont want to do anything except heal" in the context of healers not wanting to dps. The problem behind their belief is that she's drawing from her life to heal, and would eventually die from doing so, rather than drawing it from the elements to heal. People are taking her words and taking it out of context from the actual class quest story.
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