Why do so many people FAIL at dps.

[Kaiser-Ace]

What I'm getting from this Parser Talk is that, while good for a general DPS range, that parser programs have questionable accuracy at best.

That sound to me like a peg for the "don't allow them" camp. But at the same time they do make otherwise invisible data visible to the players.

Add in my experience with Parser users and you find that the programs, like weapons IRL, are dependent on the intent of the user and that while a good many use the information with good or "morally neutral" intent that there are those groups of players that ruin it for every one by abusing their access to that semi-exclusive info.

[Kaurie]

That sound to me like a peg for the "don't allow them" camp. But at the same time they do make otherwise invisible data visible to the players.

I honestly don't know what you mean by a peg? Do you mean that it is a reason to vote against it? Because it is the primary reason why PC users want official parser support, so that they can have increased accuracy.

As for your 2nd part, I agree. However, I've seen a fair share of toxic behaviour without parsers, and I do not advocate removing stuff to prevent that. For example, I had a pretty toxic A1 run where a Tank wiped the party thinking we were doing a diff strategy, 2 people ganged up on him pretty hard. In this situation, the options to prevent this in the future are 1. remove mechanics, 2. remove tanks, 3. remove duty finder, 4. remove party chat. I don't think we should remove any of them, and I don't think that "some people may use it for evil" is a good reason to not implement it.

[Kosmos992k]

What I'm getting from this Parser Talk is that, while good for a general DPS range, that parser programs have questionable accuracy at best.

That sound to me like a peg for the "don't allow them" camp. But at the same time they do make otherwise invisible data visible to the players.

Side note, the data that the parsers use is in you battle log. Quite visible if you want it.

[Kaurie]

Side note, the data that the parsers use is in you battle log. Quite visible if you want it.

True that, I just wish DOTs were on there too.

[Jim_Berry]

There can be other differences as well, such as different encounter cut off times, simulating DoT crits (or not), version of plugin etc.

Yep! I remember someone saying their system only shown the initial hit of my Goring Blade rather than the entire dot duration.

[Kosmos992k]

True that, I just wish DOTs were on there too.

I think that is a limitation imposed by DoT being handled server side, so it's not in the battle log.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Side note, the data that the parsers use is in you battle log. Quite visible if you want it.

I know it's in the battle log, but after even a short fate the battle log rolls off and you can't see it anymore. Not to mention it's beyond even a lot of genious levels of human mathematics to keep up with all those numbers manually.

And yes Kaurie, by "peg" I ment a "justifiable" reason to oppose paraing. The creation of a 1st party SE parser though would eliminate accuracy issues as far as things like DoTs go since it could then track the dammage per "tick" the same way the game does.

I myself am neutral to paraing as it effects me very little. But it does irritate me how much of an issue it is to all three sides of the issue since even the devs are unsure how to handle it apparently.

[Kosmos992k]

I know it's in the battle log, but after even a short fate the battle log rolls off and you can't see it anymore. Not to mention it's beyond even a lot of genious levels of human mathematics to keep up with all those numbers manually.

You're probably better off calculating potency instead of damage since gear andother factors can affect actual damage output.

[Kore_Hyperion]

It's the 1-2-3 syndrome. People think that all they have to do is push 3 buttons for a combo, over and over. They can't be bothered to utilize the other skills of their class/job to enhance DPS.

Oddly enough, these same people are the ones complaining that the game is "too simple" because the only thing to do is push 1-2-3.

[Destomius]

Because personal responsibility ain't a thing nowadays with this entitled generation.

Sad to say but there's a lot of people who have the mindset where they want to have everything possible while putting in the least amount of effort.