Why do so many people FAIL at dps.

[Pinkie_Pie]

I can relate to OPs frustration sort of but the first area complained about was the Aery. This is a leveling dungeon, not an end game raid such as Alex or Void Ark or an EX Primal. Even an EX dungeon at lv 60 right now isn't really a place to complain. As long as the content is being cleared without wipes

*sigh* Sadly we did wipe 2 times doing add phase, I couldn't pick up his damage and we died by fire blast before shield come up which added to the frustration of my rant.

[Frederick22]

Everything I said this far.

Not everyone is against you. From start to end I support your tread a 100%. The reason why people tries to bother you, and push you to the point of break, why? beacuse they want to take the worst of you only to make it as an excuse to show more people that "you are wrong" but you arent. You just have ignore this people, we live on a comunity where people "doesnt want to be told that, what they arent doing is not what they should be doing", they want to learn by thenselfs or they just wanna do whatever they want and dont event care if that bothers orther people, beacuse they are selfish.

So far we have hardcore players - casual players - low/bad players, the low players are the ones of poor experience, the reasons can be many, most cases beacuse old content is super easy and most of key fact of the jobs they play are skiped withouth notice. But of coruse on this kind of players we have the ones that want to improve and the ones that dont want to.

I have seen lots of threads and people alwars respond the same. You know something tells me that most people that are criticising and saying "no,no,no,no", sure that they have already being called "bad player" by someone on the game. Why else would it be? I see no reason so start insulting the thread creator, when is more than clear that only wants to adress an important thing so it cab be an small chance of change, and that he is only targeting the players that dont want to become better beacuse they dont care how they play at all and dont care if they are selfish or trolling. Coomon!

I have being in countelss of dutys and I saw this 2 kind of low players, for the good ones what I did is talking them friendly and pointing them a guide. Some of them said me thanks, orthers do not

Long ago I made a thread of the same topic, and like you almost did I gave up beacuse of the same reasons. I really got tired of being insulted for no reason and also seeing threads with the same topics with the same results.

But you should not give up, for those poeple that dont care how bad they play and only think on themselfs, dont give up. My advice is that you tried to stay calm and give irrefutable evidence so they cant say a word agains you. Even if they keep saing, just when you see they are saing noncense things, you will see that dont have more excuses and you just have to ignore them. Just dont give up.

For the one that tried to frame you, report her/him. You right logs doesnt prove anything.

Most probably im going to have lots of agressive coments but well XD
I hope that they new stuff on 3.2 changes the way of the player's performance.

[Pinkie_Pie]

Thank you.....

[feint2021]

Thank you.....

You shouldn't be thanking anyone. Instead, look at the points that you were wrong and admit it. Someone who is "always" right, may not be. In this case, you are not, and have been proven wrong multiple times.

Worse off, you give next to no solution to what you think the problem is. Your arrogance is what turned so many people against you in this thread. The reason people said this was popcorn worthy is because they enjoyed others ripping your poor argument apart.

It was also funny how you got upset because someone posted your IGN, but you had no problem making others feeling bad for their "poor" performance.

Here is something that I hope that will change your tone, the Majority here don't like your tone, nor will they ever with that arrogance you displayed. Here is a crazy idea, but admit you're wrong for once...cause guess what? You are.

[Pinkie_Pie]

You shouldn't be thanking anyone. Instead, look at the points that you were wrong and admit it. Someone who is "always" right, may not be. In this case, you are not, and have been proven wrong multiple times.

Worse off, you give next to no solution to what you think the problem is. Your arrogance is what turned so many people against you in this thread. The reason people said this was popcorn worthy is because they enjoyed others ripping your poor argument apart.

It was also funny how you got upset because someone posted your IGN, but you had no problem making others feeling bad for their "poor" performance.

Here is something that I hope that will change your tone, the Majority here don't like your tone, nor will they ever with that arrogance you displayed. Here is a crazy idea, but admit you're wrong for once...cause guess what? You are.

I have no solution and maybe I could or talk about it with everyone to gain one but...

I admitted I was wrong many times but you don't care I already said it, and I said thank you to the people/person trying to cheer me up, so I'll say it again to make you feel good for your reply, sorry again. *sigh* people say cheer up and such but more just keep beating me down to make me trash again like your post and the one after.

Again sorry, I won't ever even speak about this again, even if people are afk auto attacking, I have no right to say anything like you said or anyone else said to me for I am not a great dps, i'm just like them it seems, ones that afk dps or don't try even if I do my very best.

Again, I'm sorry.

[Frederick22]

Incorrect.

First thing first are you consider a good player? Since I see on this thread people likes to frame orthers by using logs. How can I be sure you are good casual player? that you havent get critisices that you took bad or good?
My apologies but I cant take what you said seriously, I dont know you. How can I know you are just doing this to bother, beacuse you cant accept that you might not play good and you dont want to get corrected?

Second, what Pinkie saind and I totaly agreed, is thatwe can easely learn all jobs. If a persons is decent and capable, it can all be done my himself.
If you play the game slowly, if you have dummies, if you do your jobs quests correctly and slowly, if tests your skills, if you practise on dungeons/trails, if you accept your mistakes, if you take advice, if you search and loog for rotation guides, doing all this a player can become decent at his job. So yes the only thing that doesnt let you become a good player is yourselfs. Most players fail and arent good beacause they skip most of this things are pointed, beacuse they didnt notice, are lazy or dont even care.

I dont say that eveyone can become good by themselfs, sure some people will need more help and advice. But is more than clear than most of us can learn job to play by yourselfs.

Again I'm not talking about transforming all of us into hardcore players. Only into normal players that play their job normaly.

Again sorry, I won't ever even speak about this again, even if people are afk auto attacking, I have no right to say anything like you said or anyone else said to me for I am not a great dps, i'm just like them it seems, ones that afk dps or don't try even if I do my very best.
Again, I'm sorry.

Just ignore. Dont say sorry. You are giving them what they want.

Pinkie, I feel bad for you due to how the post turned out. But please see it from our perspectives.

As a DPS myself, I tried healing, and I struggle with some content. I can tank a little, but not all content. I can also learn a fight faster as a dps, in this case, NIN. I think your perspective is set this way because it sound like you play all roles equally, so you expect others to play that role the same. Being a dps main, topics like this offends many of us, and most of the community are dominantly dps players. There's always going to be complaints in any role.

- The tank lost aggro on a pull; he's bad or lazy.
- The healer tossed one Stone too many and couldn't get Benediction off; he's bad or lazy.
- The tank is wearing VIT accessories in a dungeon; he's lazy.
- The DRG used Jump at the wrong time, so he got caught in the AoE; he's bad because he don't know the enemy.

These things list are considered mistakes at times. "The NIN is 6 on the hate list." Why? Because the tank set his pull macro for 20 seconds, but he pulled at 10 seconds. Mudras wasn't ready. Used Shadewalker on the tank. Had to get in melee range. Those three things happened while those who normally play with that tank knew he was pulling at 10 and were already prepared.

Think about this:

Someone who fulltimes a DPS may not always give 100% depending on the content. Some of us get "lazy" to the point where we only mainly use our heavy-hitters on the trash instead of full rotations. This may or may not include dots. If you're performing YOUR best, they might be performing THEIR best. YOUR best shouldn't include watching if I'm keeping up Huton, or question why I use Kassatsu + Doton on grouped mobs.

Personally, I just don't care how most people play. The dps complaints mostly stem from Raid content, then that mentality is brought over to lesser content like dungeons. Many people who don't Raid do not Raid for a reason, and they care less about what others say about how they play in lesser content. I do not Raid myself, so when I go DF or PF for a dungeon or something, and they start questioning why my NIN is doing 1179 dps versus 1300 dps, I still remain quiet, because if I just do a /sit, then I'm doing 0 damage, and that'll REALLY give them something to get mad about.

Or, I could suggest to them that I can leave and they find a replacement. Sometimes, that gets them upset, too, because now that got to wait an hour for the PF to fill again. And guess what? Waiting around doing nothing grants you zero dps anyway. I ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS stress if people have issues with how others play, then they should stick with their group instead of pugging.

Thank you so much for your comment, thats is part of what I tried to say. I agree with comment, we can ignore on how people play most of the time, and sometimes give a little help or a guide.
But if we meet with someone who has none experience or is only auto atacking or being carried/trolling in content of lvl51+, tell me how can we ignore that? Wasnt that the point of Pinki's thread?
To make everyone clear a difference between this 2 kinds of low players?

[Jim_Berry]

Thank you so much for your comment, thats is part of what I tried to say. I agree with comment, we can ignore on how people play most of the time, and sometimes give a little help or a guide.
But if we meet with someone who has none experience or is only auto atacking or being carried/trolling in content of lvl51+, tell me how can we ignore that? Wasnt that the point of Pinki's thread?
To make everyone clear a difference between this 2 kinds of low players?

Well, obviously, we can't ignore trolls; I don't. But if there's someone who has no experience, they should be offered help. Pet peeve is when someone is new, and we get to a boss, I stand outside the room to explain. Sadly, some tanks, or dps, would still pull while I'm typing. In this event, I still explain the battle even know I'm about to be locked out. If they can 3-man it with the new person, cool... If not, they should learn to wait until everyone is in the room.

We all played long enough to know NOT to start a boss battle when a member, who's been active the entire time, all of a sudden stop moving outside the room.

[feint2021]

stuff.

Incorrect.

It's one thing to point out the faults of others and show your frustration. It's another when you don't point out a solution.

The OP made a giant leap forward by saying they could a DPS class to the fullest. And when evidence said otherwise, then she/he became defensive. Instead of back up claims, nothing but excuses were made.

To sum up the first several pages....OP criticizes others, gives very little input on how they can improve and then shows that they are not better than the people he/she is criticizing. She/he is "never" wrong, instead there is some excuse given. "I'm dead, I was being carried, etc". Instead of something like, "I had a bad run, I may have not performed as well, or some other reason that seems made up.

The reason people commented and were keeping track of this thread? Is because the OP was full of themselves. We all know that there are several players that are bad. But to make a thread criticizing and not giving much input for them to improve? What is the point of that. To just B*tch and complain?

Think about it, if you're just complaining about other players who you think are under performing and can't provide any soluble solution to what you think is the problem, what does that do?

The problem with the OP is the arrogance she/he has and the inability to admit the points that have obviously been shown to be contrary to what is being discussed. Someone who is "always" right is in many cases....not.