Why do so many people FAIL at dps.

[Twilite]

(Steps of Faith, but then nerfed?)

That fight still has groups that can't clear it for one reason or another.

[Bloodb]

More players never use heavy thrust or hot shot than do.

I can only guess that people just hit skills that light up like the combos and ignore all dots buffs or cooldowns >__<

[RiceisNice]

The question now would be: Where do you draw the line?
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It'd vary from people to people, but the line has to be somewhere. In the end, no one should be compromising the party or intentionally impeding the progress, esp out of spite or laziness (which then leads me to ask why are you going play a game lazily?)

I said it before, my personal expectaitons is taht people have a general grasp of their class given the circumstances; a monk should not be regularly dropping GL (or rarely going above 1 stack, if they even get one), a BLM should know that astral fire boosts fire damage and does more than blizzard spamming, etc etc. These are things that the game throws at you as early as level 4.

[Critical-Limit]

There have been times where I did more dPS than the tank dPS and whm combined.

I didn't complain because it's a dungeon no wipes, even by myself the dungeon moves along like it would've for a party of ilvl150s that know what their doing. Cuz I'm severely overgeared for the content. Don't let things stress you out that really shouldn't. Give advice, if they don't listen or question themselves just move on their mentality is bad and that needs to be fixed first.

[Fourbestintoner]

You still give them tips, only be subtle about it so they don't report you to the hurt feeling police.
Ex. 130 x 20 is higher potency than 180 x 1.

[thunderbreak]

Ignorance of job performance a mass hysteria. Just try to recall, how many players you've run into can you honestly say knows how to play their job? Most of them will just make excuses or just be straight up hostile before they even consider they don't know what they are doing.

What this game needs to provide the player is a perspective.

I feel a good way to help this situation is host videos on official youtube channel, submitted by players, and approved by devs. Of some of the most epic performances of battles. If possible, with commentator. Maybe once a month.

[Zojha]

It'd vary from people to people, but the line has to be somewhere.

That much is for sure. But players, especially better players, are prone to set the standards unrealistically. Play a few PvP games, get yourself ranked and then look at where you stand relative to others. If you are what people like to consider "midcore" in this game, chances are you are actually ranked in the top 20% consistently.

That aside, players play "lazily" (I don't think that's the proper word for WM/GBless BRD/MCH) for one simple reason: It provides more enjoyment to that person. Thus, the question becomes:"At what point does the enjoyment gained by the person outweigh the enjoyment gained by the group?"

It's not as clear cut as Kaurie likes to believe. If there's a detrimental performance choice that greatly improves your enjoyment but doesn't impede the enjoyment of others proportionally, you definitely "should" make it.

[Jim_Berry]

Remember when we used to beat T5 in full Darklight and Relic +1? That wasn't dps, that was knowing the mechanics.

While I have little experience in Alexander Savage (recently cleared A1S finally, but have it on farm now), I don't know what DPS is required for the other floors outside of what I read, so I guess DPS COULD be a thing there. But outside of that, I mean, come on...

It's so bad that if a PLD can't do 700+, then he's a bad PLD? How? He mitigated all tank busters AND kept hate while in Sword Oath for a bit. I just don't understand it.

[RiceisNice]

That much is for sure. But players, especially better players, are prone to set the standards unrealistically. Play a few PvP games, get yourself ranked and then look at where you stand relative to others. If you are what people like to consider "midcore" in this game, chances are you are actually ranked in the top 20% consistently.

I've been there, and that's a separate problem altogether, and shouldn't be taken into perspective for all intents and purposes

That aside, players play "lazily" (I don't think that's the proper word for WM/GBless BRD/MCH) for one simple reason: It provides more enjoyment to that person. Thus, the question becomes:"At what point does the enjoyment gained by the person outweigh the enjoyment gained by the group?"

It's not as clear cut as Kaurie likes to believe. If there's a detrimental performance choice that greatly improves your enjoyment but doesn't impede the enjoyment of others proportionally, you definitely "should" make it.

GB and WM only amounts to roughly 10-15% damage increase assuming everything is done properly. Even if you opt out to use it, it shouldn't dramatically slow down a dungeon run by 7+minutes minutes, let alone do sub 400 dps (considering I can puill just above 450 on my BRD just spamming heavy shot with WM, which is weaker than if you did it without WM). If it is, then again, you have bigger underlying issues thats more than just not using WM/GB.

[Kaurie]

That aside, players play "lazily" (I don't think that's the proper word for WM/GBless BRD/MCH) for one simple reason: It provides more enjoyment to that person. Thus, the question becomes:"At what point does the enjoyment gained by the person outweigh the enjoyment gained by the group?"

It's not as clear cut as Kaurie likes to believe. If there's a detrimental performance choice that greatly improves your enjoyment but doesn't impede the enjoyment of others proportionally, you definitely "should" make it.

Not talking about BRDs and MCH who do not use barrel and minuet, I already defended that point in an earlier post. I am talking about players who deliberately play worse, because they are lazy. (To clarify, this does not mean that all players who play worse are lazy) For example, A DPS who literally only uses auto-attacks.

I also do not really understand why you are attempting to defend poor play. Yes, having fun is a huge part of the game, but when you are in a team game and you underperform you are hurting your team. Think of it like a sports game, you could join a team and maybe a) you are a bad player, but you're out there having fun and trying, b) you're probably an OK player but who cares if you win, so you just dick around on your cell phone and c) you are an awesome player who tries their best. I am currently talking about people B, they are the problem. Group A is not. I hope that helps clear it up?

That said, people in Group A could learn to play better, and I feel that Square Enix does a poor job of encouraging this.