Why do so many people FAIL at dps.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

Funny, hes just pulling up logs but let me throw throw an objection in his way.

1, does he know the item level of my monk?

2, does he know I was being carried?

3, was I *dead* the whole fight?

4, looking at my other logs, seems just fine so he took that *one* log, from one clear to use as fire against me. which I laugh at him cause he had no idea the situation why that number was low, so sad.

1. Item level doesn't result in a 500 DPS difference
2. If you're being carried, then you're bad, and therefore lose all credibility in calling out other DPS
3. Hence why I also brought up your NIN numbers as well, which are abysmally low. You've had 4 separate NIN parses, if you've been dead for all 4, then you are taking unnecessary damage and thus are still bad
4. See above post.

Also why are you being carried? That MNK parse was Dec 21st, your WAR parses go all the way back to Dec 4th (which, btw, aside from ONE clear, your WAR numbers are HALF that of "Good" WAR numbers)

Also doesn't change the fact that you were lying in calling me out on lying that you cleared on MNK. So if your credibility wasn't already garbage, it is now.

[Kaurie]

are you implying more % of tanks and healers fully maximize their class? that they are rarely lazy and usually good?

I would argue that more healers and tanks fully maximize their class than DPS. I theorize that it stems from 2 reasons:

1. DPS classes are seen as requiring less responsibility initially, and thus attract people who do not want to be responsible for their actions (or just want to take the game lightly and enjoy themselves)
2. There is always at least 1 other DPS present, which allows your DPS failures to be slightly clouded with theirs. Failures could be their fault for all you know, and how can we determine who is carrying who?
2b. Healers and Tanks are often on their own (for leveling up/learning to play) and when they fail, it's very apparent. This requires them to learn and adapt much more often and quickly than a failing DPS.

[ToniRomo]

It's a videogame. Some people read up on things and maximize their output. Others just play how they see fit, don't read internet guides and don't worry about that kind of stuff. They don't really care about their numbers or being good.

[Kafei]

Funny, hes just pulling up logs but let me throw throw an objection in his way.

1, does he know the item level of my monk?

2, does he know I was being carried?

3, was I *dead* the whole fight?

4, looking at my other logs, seems just fine so he took that *one* log, from one clear to use as fire against me. which I laugh at him cause he had no idea the situation why that number was low, so sad.

So, like... it's alright if you do really low DPS, because you're disadvantaged in terms of item levels, or you're dying needlessly, or... something... but other DPS don't get that consideration?

I hate ice mages too, but... c'mon. Stones in glass houses, man. Or uh. Horse shoes in... weird pony glass houses.

[Skivvy]

[Derio]

Not another 1 of these threads. I mean its DF, wtf are you expecting to get paired with server best DPS?

[Pinkie_Pie]

1. Item level doesn't result in a 500 DPS difference
2. If you're being carried, then you're bad, and therefore lose all credibility in calling out other DPS
3. Hence why I also brought up your NIN numbers as well, which are abysmally low. You've had 4 separate NIN parses, if you've been dead for all 4, then you are taking unnecessary damage and thus are still bad
4. See above post.

Also why are you being carried? That MNK parse was Dec 21st, your WAR parses go all the way back to Dec 4th (which, btw, aside from ONE clear, your WAR numbers are HALF that of "Good" WAR numbers)

1. Item level doesn't result in a 500 DPS difference. It does when you have rez sickness, genius.
2. If you're being carried, then you're bad, and therefore lose all credibility in calling out other DPS I can't stop other dps or healers running into me on pizza slices, killing me in the end, I can't stop from dying from bad healers not able to heal dive bombs or better yet, the aoe phase at the end but clearly i'm bad for not able to second wind all that damage and keep up the good fight. Clearly.
3. Hence why I also brought up your NIN numbers as well, which are abysmally low. You've had 4 separate NIN parses, if you've been dead for all 4, then you are taking unnecessary damage and thus are still bad Goes back to my statement before, 191 item level ninja with its 190 hive weapon in mix if 185-190 stuff, that's not including dying to aoe due to lack of heals which goes back to statement 1 and 2.

Also why are you being carried? That MNK parse was Dec 21st, your WAR parses go all the way back to Dec 4th (which, btw, aside from ONE clear, your WAR numbers are HALF that of "Good" WAR numbers)
Too easy, just too easy. one, I was MT'ing *every single clear* listed (which doesn't tell you that) two, I was wasn't wearing *full strength* like every other warrior out there, i'm a *vit* warrior(you know, the tanks that wear health) and I wasn't sitting in dps stance tanking thordin in full strength like every other warrior, 4, I don't have tons of gil to make or buy melded accessories to min/max my tanking.

Again, you are just picking out the piece to use something for fire. The numbers you are pulling don't even tell the event of the fight let alone the deaths involved, but keep on thinking those logs the ends to the means of all evidence that happened those days to counter claim and prove your point.

Not another 1 of these threads. I mean its DF, wtf are you expecting to get paired with server best DPS?

You don't have to do the max dps but you at least gotta try to dps, refusing to use your skills because "eeeh I don't feel like it" burdens the *group* as a whole and have to carry your weight cause they are too lazy. Why even que up in the first place, don't que if you don't wish to give at least your semi-best. By your statement you say "Eh, let the level 60 mage spam cold spells"

[Alberel]

Yes, and no.
There's the emnity table which you can observe during longer fights. If you see certain DPS being far higher on generating said emnity and start creeping up on the tank, then I assume their output is pretty good in comparison to someone who is even under the healer regarding generation (DPS-healers aside).

However that can be only applied to situations where the gear level is similar and it is a duty which isn't downscaled/synced.

The enmity table is useful to an extent but it has some limits. If anyone uses a skill that reduces enmity (particularly a ninja on another DPS) then the table no longer reflects relative damage output. There's also the issue of SMNs and MCHs not being represented properly as their pets do a portion of their damage and generate their own enmity.

You're right that it should be enough for bad players to be able to see when they're trailing at the back of the pack on damage output though. Unfortunately there are a lot of players that don't even know what the enmity table is... A numerical representation of damage output that smacks them in the face with how low their damage is is likely the only way to get their attention.

[AeraLure]

Because not everyone (probably more than half) is adept at maximizing a 30+ key rotation on a keyboard? Especially when the game teaches you nothing about rotations and shows nothing as regards your average and current DPS (unless you are on a PC and also use an app technically against ToS). Add to that some portion of the game population including console gamers who have never played an MMO before, tight DPS checks, a generally uptight and impatient community which is divisive on the issue due to half the population not having any DPS tools as well as a stated design goal of all-inclusive playstyles and I fail to understand how anyone is really surprised by this.

Having said that, I do read the job threads on this very board regarding maximizing DPS, as well as thinking about my layout, constantly tweaking it and watching rotation videos on YouTube. Hard to understand why a lot of people seem not to, but I really do think the complete lack of in-game tools is what it is. Seems a fair portion of gamers are not research oriented when it comes to their gaming.

[Silica-chan]

Oh boy another prime example of damage logs being abused but parsers will solve everything right? lol
*grabs popcorn*

@OP: I guess a big problem is that dungeons not really require anything and could possible be done with auto attacks only and that Fates are the easiest way to get alot of exp without the need to learn anything.