Yoshi-P Praise Topic :D

[Preypacer]

I wouldn't call Amazing Housing when the limit is so little with small being 50, medium 100, and large 200. Wild Star tototally blow FFXIV Housing out of the water.

Just about any other MMO with player housing blows FFXIV's out of the water. People who rave about how amazing and extensive XIV's housing is have apparently never looked at what is offered in many other MMOs, like EQ2, Wildstar, Rift, even more obscure (and far lower budget) MMOs like Ryzom and Istaria.. to name just a handful. If they have, and they're still praising XIV's as being something "amazing", then they're being dishonest, or have a lack of perspective/proportion.


What places every other MMO with a housing system above XIV's right out of the gate is the simple fact that, in every other MMO with it, every single character is able to acquire one - even multiple if they wish and have the gold/currency for it. Guaranteed. None of this "sorry, you can't get a house because they're all taken and our implementation doesn't support any more without us having to do months of work applying band-aids to make it possible... for the first couple hours, before they're all bought up and it's right back to the same mess again.

How long did it SE to implement the system where plots are automatically relinquished if abandoned? Yeah, LoTRO from almost a decade ago says hi. Funnier still, in LoTRO, they had house abandonment accounted for, alongside the ability to dynamically spawn new neighborhoods (wards) as existing ones filled up. So they had it covered at both ends. From the start. That's called "thinking ahead and preparing".

I make these points to illustrate that there are things that other MMOs have done, very very well, from the start, and SE apparently didn't bother to take a look at when creating XIV's version of it. They're running into problems that were already solved by other developers years ago.

I find it amazing that some people, such as the OP, would actually call XIV's housing "Amazing", considering the far superior examples of it that exist, and have for years now. Compared to what other MMOs have done, for a decade now, there is nothing 'amazing' about XIV's housing. It looks nice. It has some nice furnishing and customization options. Beyond that, there's really nothing "amazing" about it.

IMO, of course. Others obviously will disagree, but I'd just suggest they go and take a good *honest* look at what other MMO's offer in that area, and then ask themselves, again *honestly*, if what SE offers is really anything to rave about by comparison.

[RiceisNice]

I also said that it's not nessescarly a good thing, because a lot of those points are missing the context behind it that it ends up causing more or other, bigger problems that put the game in its current state. Why are we lacking housing? It's a terrible system that allows for a single player to own multiple houses, and personal housing that shares the same system as FC housing.

Raiding is more accessible, even though it's also at an all time low, and we've only started gotten to the first raid tier.

The bigger picture behind all of this is being missed, and I can very well say the same that you're ignoring the underlying problem which will cause an eventual collapse because of the piling weight.

[Belhi]

I also said that it's not nessescarly a good thing, because a lot of those points are missing the context behind it that it ends up causing more or other, bigger problems that put the game in its current state. Why are we lacking housing? It's a terrible system that allows for a single player to own multiple houses, and personal housing that shares the same system as FC housing.

Raiding is more accessible, even though it's also at an all time low, and we've only started gotten to the first raid tier.

The bigger picture behind all of this is being missed, and I can very well say the same that you're ignoring the underlying problem which will cause an eventual collapse because of the piling weight.

Hardly. The Housing system is flawed but at the same time has some great features. Further, this is something we know that they are taking steps to improve, starting with the abandon house reclamation on Christmas and with more to come later. Still not flawless with issues of people buying up land to resell but that's something that I suspect can be solved pretty easily. These are both issues that have been pretty well commented on.

The raids issue isn't that they have been made more accessible but that Alexander Savage is a bust for the static raiding playerbase. Most of the playerbase never got to touch Coil which is normal in raiding. Alexander Savage has opened that up to them. In this regard for a large part of the playerbase, the accessibility changes of Alex are a good thing.

There are multiple issues at work here in this situation and frankly the playerbase isn't united on exactly what those issues are. We generally comment on what is an issue to us personally as a player. However my point is that we have generally only had lists of the bad in most threads. Frankly the bigger picture will get just as obscured by having focus be only on what people don't like as it is for praise without context. The Devs need to know what people like as much as what they don't because its not like they can just completely scrap these systems and start from scratch. That just isn't feasible.

I would add that several of the problems people raise are things that existed in ARR and people still talk about it with praise. Clearly something was working then that isn't now and it isn't anything to do with the Housing system.

[Stormfur]

You've got to remember too that WoW has YEARS of content and upgrades and changes under its belt, and FFXIV as we know it now has only been out for a couple years. I would say that I wish the developers at FFXIV would break out of their content mold and do something awesome and unexpected, but we got diadem from that and everyone hated it. So I don't know what to tell them!

[Kallera]

You've got to remember too that WoW has YEARS of content and upgrades and changes under its belt, and FFXIV as we know it now has only been out for a couple years. I would say that I wish the developers at FFXIV would break out of their content mold and do something awesome and unexpected, but we got diadem from that and everyone hated it. So I don't know what to tell them!

Diadem was busted by the meta mostly. Given the chance, players in endgame would seek out the easiest way to the important loot and eschew all others. Now that the gear won't be there and it will lokely not get updated until 3.3, and is mainly going to be for spiritbonding and materia diadem has an uncertain future for battle classes. Again, players seek out the easiest way to loot. If you bar that way with enough things, people will not do them and begrudgungly shuffle back into the df, forgetting your content.

Then its back to the same old tired grind, which leaves them disinterested, particularly those that cannot, or don't want to, raid, as everything gets brushed aside for it.

[Belhi]

Diadem was busted by the meta mostly. Given the chance, players in endgame would seek out the easiest way to the important loot and eschew all others. Now that the gear won't be there and it will lokely not get updated until 3.3, and is mainly going to be for spiritbonding and materia diadem has an uncertain future for battle classes. Again, players seek out the easiest way to loot. If you bar that way with enough things, people will not do them and begrudgungly shuffle back into the df, forgetting your content.

Then its back to the same old tired grind, which leaves them disinterested, particularly those that cannot, or don't want to, raid, as everything gets brushed aside for it.

In that regard I think the idea of a more structured Diadem has potential, kind of like a more open ended dungeon. We will have to see how the changes they implement end up working.

[pushin_tin]

Just going to throw this out there since most of this thread seems to be unduly negative, but I fully support the XIV team, and Yoshi P in particular, because they're working hard to provide a game that everyone can enjoy to some extent. They're also actively listening to suggestions from the fan base which is a big thing in my opinion, since many game companies tend to go with the "who cares what we make, it'll sell" approach and do little to patch content seen as broken by the community. While they may not implement every little suggestion made here on the forums, (and with good reason given that the community on here only represents a very small portion of the playerbase), they DO take suggestions. Anyone who's spent much time on this forum should know this, yet they act like our opinions go completely unheard. We got a buff to WM and GB fairly quickly after 3.0 came out, we got the "same role LB restrictions" pulled almost immediately due to backlash with them rethinking and reworking it, we get minor QoL updates all the time based on forum suggestions, and we got the Hauchefaunt minion and shield because of players requesting it, just to name a few things. I greatly applaud them for working hard to try and satisfy every facet of the community to some extent, while still trying to move forward with their own designs for the classes and content.

To Yoshi P, and the team in general. Thank you. Sincerely. This is easily the best MMO I have ever played, and I intend to be a supporter for a long time to come.

100% agree with you. Thanks for this uplifting post.

Praise the Yoshi!!

Thanks for the positive post! Yoshi really is awesome

[Naraku_Diabolos]

I actually like this game quite a lot and the faults that the other players have mentioned do not bother me at all. Then again, I don't want to rush to endgame and be bored with nothing to do or grinding to cap tomes, and especially the Anima Relic. There will be plenty of weapons that will be on par with them throughout each patch. No reason right now to rush and get them when currently we have i210 weapons; they just give you something to do, albeit mind-numbing grinding which you can wait until the next patch to do when they nerf that process. Then again, wait until 4.0 to do the Anima Relics and just play the game leisurely. No one is forcing anyone to be an "Ash Ketchum" (aka, I wanna be the very best!).

[Lambdafish]

The hate in this thread is actually really sour, and I would just like to say: As someone who works in the games industry, I have to applaud what Yoshi P has done. Yes the game itself is in troubling times, but that doesn't take away from what has already been. I've never seen a producer/director who seems so passionate about their game as Yoshi P, and the lengths he goes to to personally communicate with us what is going on with the game (especially in the most recent live letter) is almost unheard of. We have come to expect it, but things live letters and letters from the producer are things that the community teams did not have to do, but Yoshi P had enough respect for the players to do so on top of everything else he does, and the amount of time and energy that goes into those kinds of thing are huge.

Thank you Yoshi P for respecting the players enough to be honest with them, and for keeping this game alive

TLDR: praise Yoshi even if you dont praise the current state of the game.

[AskaRay]

I don't understand all this hate.

Of course the game isn't perfect, and you're absolutely allowed to complain about things you don't like, but why come into a thread that's trying to give recognition to the dev team and go "Man this game sucks so bad". It's not like the dev team does NOTHING, they do work hard (even if it's not to your liking). How is that any better than the """"white knights"""" going into the complaint threads and saying "no everything is great"?? Oh, yeah. It's not.

I also have to thank Yoshi-P and the rest of the dev team- thanks so much for making an enjoyable game, an MMO I actually played longer than five minutes, and helping me find some great friends. I hope the game is around for at least as long as FFXI.