Yoshi-P Praise Topic :D

[Aarik]

If you have only negative feedback and can find nothing you enjoy about the game why the hell are you playing it at all, let alone posting on the game's forums?

Well, not sure about the rest, but personally? I've already unsubbed, I just foolishly was on a 3-month sub so I've got time left, which I will certainly not spend on FFXIV. What I, and probably many other long-time players are doing is the wait-and-see approach. We've unsubbed, but we're keeping an eye on the situation. If they keep heading down the path they're going, and just continue to do the exact same thing with a new coat of paint every patch....then no, I honestly can't see myself (or the others) coming back. Which is a shame, seeing as how I truly want to like the game, but I cannot abide by SE's current view of the game and their dirty tactics atm (3.15 comes to mind, thanks for the blatant lies SE, appreciated that)

[Belhi]

Well, not sure about the rest, but personally? I've already unsubbed, I just foolishly was on a 3-month sub so I've got time left, which I will certainly not spend on FFXIV. What I, and probably many other long-time players are doing is the wait-and-see approach. We've unsubbed, but we're keeping an eye on the situation. If they keep heading down the path they're going, and just continue to do the exact same thing with a new coat of paint every patch....then no, I honestly can't see myself (or the others) coming back. Which is a shame, seeing as how I truly want to like the game, but I cannot abide by SE's current view of the game and their dirty tactics atm (3.15 comes to mind, thanks for the blatant lies SE, appreciated that)

Fair enough. However there was clearly things you did love about the game otherwise you wouldn't care enough to keep track of the state of the game. My point is that we are giving them plenty of info on what we don't like. However people tend to be very vague about what it was they do or even did like about the game which made them care enough about it to bother with it.

Again, positive feedback is as important as negative.

[RiceisNice]

Again, positive feedback is as important as negative.

Blind, or otherwise feedback that is blatantly wrong, doesn't help either, and can infact be detrimental if we're going to keep assuring that it's not a problem, such as

Is constantly pushing out new fresh content in the game every few months.

Has made raiding more accessible. Now I dont have to be hardcore or pay for carries to see the story.

SOOO many character customization options! I've bought so much fantasia to make my character look however I want.

Actually communicates with the playerbase and directly addresses their concerns. Certain other MMOs NEVER show this kind of devotion to their players.

Amazing housing. Not only can I customize my character, but I can also customize my house! It's really refreshing to have a place in ffxiv to call my own!

Everything that's happened so far is either contrary to the fact, isn't in a good state, or necessarily even a good thing because of the context that's been omitted.

[Kurogaea]

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Character creation is awesome something something

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I seen more in Dragon's Dogma Online, Tera Online, and PSO2. (not mentioning black desert....that wouldn't be fair)

Praise? Uhhh..... well I'm grateful for making a world where I met my awesomest of friends while giving us plenty to talk about, including your plans for housing and prices, Diadem, the entirety of PvP, crafting choices (scrips and specialist), dungeon mapping and other cool stuff. Never played 1.0 but you'd do better than me in MMO redesigning that's for sure, maybe, I'm not skilled for that stuff yet X)

[Jas710]

To OP,
FFXIV must be your first MMO if you really actually believe what you posted.

[HakuroDK]

To OP,
FFXIV must be your first MMO if you really actually believe what you posted.

In OP's defense, the only MMO I actually played that was comparable to FFXIV was pre-F2P DCUO. Every other MMO I have played has been mediocre.

But as for this whole thread? Can't we just rely on constructive criticisms and accurate praise both? I mean, I'm not saying the OP is 100% right, but this game is pretty good. Sure, blind praise for things that are imperfect isn't great, but whining about how things aren't flawless isn't helping much either.

[Elazu]

Come on, guys. It's obvious sarcasm.

[Kumori_Kumo]

I actually have mostly praise for Yoshi-P and his team. I'm fairly certain most of the things that the majority find disagreeable are due to a lack of re-investment into the game from the people over him. You can't support a burgeoning game on a shoestring budget. Yell at the suits.

[Belhi]

Blind, or otherwise feedback that is blatantly wrong, doesn't help either, and can infact be detrimental if we're going to keep assuring that it's not a problem, such as

Everything that's happened so far is either contrary to the fact, isn't in a good state, or necessarily even a good thing because of the context that's been omitted.

Well in this case, its a case of opinions. To the OP those statements are true. You might disagree with them but that doesn't make his opinion not valid. Even those who have issue with FF14 will often disagree on what is wrong exactly and how it should be fixed.

This doesn't mean the game doesn't have core issues. The ones that stick out to me is the content drought that before 3.1. HW release content really wasn't designed to keep people occupied that long. Another was that Alexander Savage fell flat as well as Diadem. If Diadem had worked then people would probably be feeling the current sense of lack of content as keenly. There is a difference though between 'this is broken' and 'I don't like this'. My family love Mangos but I hate them. They all think Im crazy for it but that doesn't make it any less right.

Here is the thing though. A lot of people who criticizes the current game talk about ARR favourably. With a few exception those things the OP listed were the same in ARR as they are now. In fact the Housing could be argued to have been worse. Alex normal has made 'raiding' more accessible to players who don't group in statics. What when people talk about what has changed though they tend to talk in rather vague ways, mainly referencing how Coils was better and how there was more to do. Realistically though the difference in the amount released is a handful of trials.

Again, I ask what is it that you actually like about the game? What is it that makes or made you want to play in the first place. What about it do or did you love?

[Gamer3427]

Everything that's happened so far is either contrary to the fact, isn't in a good state, or necessarily even a good thing because of the context that's been omitted.

I disagree. All of the statements you quoted are in fact true. There are varying opinions about the quality of them, of course, but there are varying opinions. Let's discuss instead of just claiming that there are no merits to what was said. You seem to be implying that everything that was stated was completely false for one reason or another and that there are no merits of truth to the OP's comments.....

Is constantly pushing out new fresh content in the game every few months.

No one can deny that this game releases new content every few months in some way or form. While you may not personally be happy with the content released, many players are in fact happy with it. This is part of why we see a resurgence of players every time a new patch comes out. The length that resurgence varies based on the size of the patch and the variety of the content, but it's always met with a flood of players, both those who've been playing consistently, and those who have taken breaks since the previous patch.....

Has made raiding more accessible. Now I dont have to be hardcore or pay for carries to see the story.

Another true statement. Not in regards to the current raids of course, since that would anger the hardcore raiding fanbase, but in regards to old content. With the introduction of unsynced runs, more players than ever before are able to access the Coils and expect clears. This is very important from a story perspective because the Coils house the true finally from the 1.xx cycle. The only argument I can see here that you might have against it is that it somehow takes away from the skill other players showed in the past when they cleared it at level. Those players however can still claim those bragging rights if they so choose, just as many players brag that they've cleared other content before it was nerfed. The argument that some sort of physical bragging rights reward in the form of gear for a vast minority of the playerbase, (because let's face it, by comparison very few players ever raid), is more important than allowing more players to experience a crucial part of Eorzea's story, is frankly a very weak argument.....

SOOO many character customization options! I've bought so much fantasia to make my character look however I want.

I'll be honest, the customization in this game isn't the best I've seen by any means. I suspect though that the OP is speaking in part in regards to the fact that races have drastically different body builds from one another, as well as different facial expressions and designs. I also know many players who have bought multiple fantasias to change their character's race or gender, so clearly there is a customization draw there. Though to strengthen the argument on customization, I have to say that the glamour system in this game, (aside from class restrictions), is by far the best such system I've seen in any game I've played in recent years. The sheer amount of appearance options you get in regards to it are staggering. I have to admit that I'm quite disappointed when playing other games now because they tend to possess so few character customization options in this regard, with you simply being stuck looking like whatever the best gear is at the time. There's a reason that players commonly claim that "Glamour is the true endgame".....

Actually communicates with the playerbase and directly addresses their concerns. Certain other MMOs NEVER show this kind of devotion to their players.

A simple, very true statement. We have content added to the game constantly or changed constantly because of player feedback. One of the more notable facets of this is the Hauchefaunt minion, shield, and painting items that are available in game now. I was here on the forums when the thread requesting such items was made, and replied to by a forum moderator who then passed the ideas on to the team, where they were then created to be added to the game. We get numerous QoL updates to the game based on feedback. Content such as the Diadem are being reworked because the playerbase disliked the way it was implemented. Just about the only things that don't get influenced by feedback here on the forums are things that they simply can't do anything about due to budget/time constraints, or things that would drastically alter an aspect of the game world, when just as many players are happy with it the way it is, as there are players complaining. By comparison, most game companies simply get your money or subscription fees and tell you to simply live with whatever you get content wise. Yoshi P makes every reasonable effort available to avert this, while still making sure that the vocal minority don't completely control the game and ruin it for the players who like aspects of it as they are. And let's be honest here, the people complaining on the forums are the minority. When I speak to my friends and FC members in game about something on the forums, about 90% of them weren't even aware there were forums before I mentioned it, and out of those that were aware, very few have even browsed them, much less made a post to voice their opinion. People in general simply don't come to a forum to talk about how good things are or how much they love content, they come to complain about something that they feel is broken or about bad players they came across. Why should they come here to talk about how much they love it? They're already happy with what they have, so why should they expect future content to be any different in that regard, or want to change the existing content that they already enjoy?

Amazing housing. Not only can I customize my character, but I can also customize my house! It's really refreshing to have a place in ffxiv to call my own!

The fact that there is a shortage of available housing doesn't undermind this statement. It enforces it. There's only a shortage of housing because everyone wants a personal house that they can decorate and customize. If they didn't feel like the housing itself was extremely well done, there would be no reason to spend millions of gil on it. Clearly the fact that with hundreds of houses per server, each costing millions of gil, are all sold speaks as to how valuable the community sees this system. There's a reason that people are willing to spend millions more gil on certain furniture pieces. It's not simply "chocobo stables" or "farming" that make people want personal houses. It's because the system is well crafted with quite a few customization options that allow you to make it not just a personal house, but your personal home......

From the way I see it, you're completely focusing on the bad to the point that you don't consider there to be any good on all these points. It's true there's problems with the game. It's true that things aren't implemented perfectly. If you can find a single game out there where everything IS implemented perfectly and everything works in a way that makes every single player happy, well, why are you here instead of playing that? The bottom line is that no game is perfect. There will always be something that someone considers to be an issue. The main problem here is that as I stated earlier, the majority of the people to post here on the forums are the ones who had something they didn't like and wanted to complain about. That in turn means that they see other threads created by people with the same goals of complaining, and thus find more negativity. Again though, the people complaining here on the forums are in the minority of the playerbase, which is something a lot of them don't seem to realize. A perfect example of this is the relic weapons that came out recently. For a solid month you couldn't find anything here on the forums but threads complaining about them, and there's even still a couple that stay on the front page. Meanwhile, in the game itself, you see that FATEs across all the HW areas are suddenly a viable method of leveling, when before you would get lucky to find even one other person in the area willing to help out. You find that dungeon ques for any relic relate dungeons, (including the first four HW dungeons), are nearly instant regardless of role. Alexander Normal as well is suddenly an option to actually run for players new to the content, and for those simply doing it for the Relic, whereas even in the first month or so of it's release you'd be lucky to have less than a 30min que for any of the Alex Normal runs outside of prime time. Beyond all that, players now have an incentive to go back and revisit old beast tribe quests as well as the new ones, simply to get the relic material from them. And do you know why this is? Because while there were people here on the forums complaining about how broken the relics were or how annoying the grind was, the majority of the playerbase was in the game happily working on them with friends, FC members, and even strangers who would become new friends. Clearly, this game is doing something right, even if you refuse to see anything but the negative.....