[GM] Please take notice. Make statement on housing.

[rarecandi]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Community-Team!

Don't expect an answer any time soon on this unless the GM's in game get it together and get it sorted out. The timing of this whole mess was very unfortunate. The great housing dilemma of 2015 right when the team has vacation. Lol

And this is SUPER unfortunate. But hopefully they'll be paying attention and will address it in the new year.

[Azazua_azura]

People undercutting me at the MB diminishes my game play, someone please ban them.

Also, where is the full "tosh" (I assume you mean ToS)? Google didn't give me anything beyond the original, which was last updated before housing was a thing.

the tos loads up when you first load on and have to accept it. When you scroll down to harrassment there are 2 paragraphs one on basic player harrassment such as foul langue, etc etc then there is a sub section after that listing grief tatics that are against the rules. Monopolizations of game features are one of them.

Aka one player/or group trying to control an aspect of the game to prevent players from partaking in its use with out following said groups rules. having 1 person or one group of players buy up plots and sell @ 1000% mark up is a grief tatic.

also just to be clear, there is no such thing as undercutting in an mmo, people use the term and honestly don't understand what it really means. to reliquish the property you tear down the house.

Undercutting is selling an item under its networth based on production value. This is more seen in markets where a merchent makes and agreement to a craftsmen to sell his wares, then sells it under value increasiong their profit but lowering the profit of the craftsmen who would in most cases get 10% profit.

example you make a pot from fine materials i agree to sell it for you @ 10% the pot is worth $50 whuch you would get $5 back. (id my math is correct) but i inturn sell it for $1 you get get 10 cents back while i rake in 90 i sell 100 pots, you at most get a $1 while i get way more.


in a free market much more in MMO its competitive pricing based on 2 factors of personal worth and supply vs demand. If items are in low demand they sell for less. If items are in high demend but have stable supply to meet it, the price is more stable. if the items are in high demand but short supply they are priced higher.

gotta price accordingly to supply/demand.


ALSO you CAN trade houses

the house aka the permit it buyable on the market board, able to trade between players. what your reliquishing is the LAND not the house.

[StouterTaru]

the tos loads up when you first load on and have to accept it.

Is this a Playstation thing? When I enter name/password, the play button turns green and I hit it. After that game loads in full screen, I click start, select character, then confirm. There's never a ToS that I see.

Undercutting is selling an item under its networth based on production value.

google defines undercut as "offer goods or services at a lower price than (a competitor)."

Regardless of what you want to call it, people selling stuff on the MB cheaper than mine diminishes my game experience, and I demand a swift and powerful swipe of the banhammer.

[Preypacer]

Regardless of what you want to call it, people selling stuff on the MB cheaper than mine diminishes my game experience, and I demand a swift and powerful swipe of the banhammer.

You're clearly being facetious here. At least I hope you are.

If not, well, unless your goods are consistently the highest priced on the market board, and you've never listed items for cheaper than someone else, I hope you'd enjoy your Ban along with everyone else, because you'd be getting one, too.

And anyway, if someone lists cheaper than you, and you can't wait it out for the lower priced items to sell (sometimes it can be ridiculous, I agree), you can always just adjust your prices lower than theirs.. though then you're contributing to the very problem you're wanting others to be banned for.

Either way.. I hope you can see why your argument, whether facetious or not, is flawed.

Also, the Market Board has no equivalence to housing and the way it works.

[StouterTaru]

Either way.. I hope you can see why your argument, whether facetious or not, is flawed.

Every bit as flawed as saying flipping houses is a grief tactic and monopolization. Every bit as flawed as saying "I want the plot next to my FC house, but another FC is monopolizing it."

[ExKage]

It might be flawed in your opinion but if that is the GM team's decision based on community reaction that's really their call and not yours and that's why we need to know if they've actually made that call.

[Wildsprite]

Is this a Playstation thing? When I enter name/password, the play button turns green and I hit it. After that game loads in full screen, I click start, select character, then confirm. There's never a ToS that I see.

it isn't a playstation thing, when you first install the game with no settings file you get a user agreement you have to click to accept. this is on all platforms

[StouterTaru]

it isn't a playstation thing, when you first install the game with no settings file you get a user agreement you have to click to accept. this is on all platforms

So the full ToS that details this is something I clicked to agree to over 2 years ago, and any updates since then aren't ready accessible online?

[MeiUshu]

So the full ToS that details this is something I clicked to agree to over 2 years ago, and any updates since then aren't ready accessible online?

they are, you just need to look for those...terms and conditions are always there, like in ANYTHING in the world be it RL or even virtual. It is your responsability to learn of them same as it is your responsability to know the laws that rule your daily life. The *not knowing* is not an excuse. I would suggest to you to stop trying to sound clever when you are not, in this particular instance of course. ToS are there find them read them and read them regularly changes dont need to be always advertised you know

[Wildsprite]

@OP they wont make an official statement in these forums till there is one to give. given that it is conflicting between the GMs they are likely undecided about it as of the moment you talked to them. till they make it official the GMs are being bias about a nasty situation and if that is the case. if they can't stop themselves from being bias I'm not sure I'll continue to sub because that means they are making decisions against all of us based on the malacious behavior of the few.

note: what I am speaking of is the troll that claimed to have 21 plots to sell in PF. this I do consider disruptive and should be punished
while I do think selling plots to people so you release them is a bit shady I don't see it as a bad thing. and I don't think people should be punished for this unless they are infact being disruptive.
I agree with the statement that if they are going to punish people for this why not punish people for the constant undercutting on the market board? that is much more disruptive than this is.

and before any of you try to claim I undercut anyone sorry I haven't I put my stuff at the current price. maybe that person before me undercut but I did not. I don't believe in the whole undercutting thing. this is part of the reason I wish they would replace the marketboard with an auction house like FFXI has.