Novice / Beginner / Training Hall -- General Discussion Topic

[Brian_]

one trial isn't gonna change the people's attitude.
it's not their skill that's the problem. it's their attitude.

though having said that, I have the same hope that you do xD
a better(attitude-wise) community.

Skill and attitude are interconnected in this game. If a tank is failing at his role, it's hard to treat them the same way you would a much better tank. If your EX-roulette is filled with wipes and takes an hour to complete, it's likely someone won't be happy. A lot of toxicity and elitism is born from a gap in player skill.

The people who would actually be motivated to improve because of a training hall are the same people who already research optimal rotations and proper play.

If you think beginners hall is going to improve the player bases overall skill level you're delusional

I think treating it in such extremes is what is really delusional.

The reality is if it's appropriately tuned and incentivized, people will do it. And, if in doing it, you force them to improve, you've succeeded.

The key point is the incentive. There needs to be a proper incentive to completing the lessons. SE needs to take a real look at what rewards are most coveted and gate such rewards behind this mode.

Let's put realism aside for a moment and look at some examples -- what if they gated unlocking the next set of roulettes behind the completion of the training hall? What if they gated the next step of the relic behind the training hall? What if they gated the MSQ behind the training hall? What if they gated the next expansion behind the training hall? What if our next set of AF gear is gated behind the training hall?

My point is this -- people will do the mode, either willingly or forced, if the incentive is strong enough.

Just look at the relic. Tons of people pissed and moaned about it. And, at the end of the day, a lot are still doing it (even if reluctantly). Why? Because of the carrot on the stick.

[hagare]

Skill and attitude are interconnected in this game. If a tank is failing at his role, it's hard to treat them the same way you would a much better tank. If your EX-roulette is filled with wipes and takes an hour to complete, it's likely someone won't be happy. A lot of toxicity and elitism is born from a gap in player skill.

that's where I disagree.
skill and attitude are not interconnected.
people's skills are different, and how others face these are different.
Not everyone blows up in anger when they're faced with less than good performance from other people.
You don't see someone's true character when everything is going smoothly.

[Fevelle]

that's where I disagree.
skill and attitude are not interconnected.
people's skills are different, and how others face these are different.
Not everyone blows up in anger when they're faced with less than good performance from other people.
You don't see someone's true character when everything is going smoothly.

I agree 100% with this.

[Klamor]

The key point is the incentive. There needs to be a proper incentive to completing the lessons. SE needs to take a real look at what rewards are most coveted and gate such rewards behind this mode.

Because the drive to not suck at everything one does isn't a good enough reason for a lot of people to improve on their own.

Just look at the relic. Tons of people pissed and moaned about it. And, at the end of the day, a lot are still doing it (even if reluctantly). Why? Because of the carrot on the stick.

And because the only other way to get an i210 weapon is locked behind A4S, which is locked behind A3S. Therefore, the only way for a lot of people to get an i210 weapon is the relic.