[GM] Please take notice. Make statement on housing.

[Purrfectstorm]

If it's against ToS, it seems counterintuitive to me. Housing should be just like other in-game commodity and able to be sold/traded for in-game currency or items. If run-selling is legal, why wouldn't selling housing be?

Btw, I don't have any stake in this. I didn't buy my housing from another player nor do I plan on selling what I do have. My FC has a mansion and I have a small personal house. If I DID sell a house, it would be my small house so I could upgrade to a better house. It seems really weird if that would be against the game's rules.

That being said, I understand people's outrage. A lot of players can't get housing at all and some players are making a fortune flipping houses. I personally don't have a problem with it because I think it's just like playing any other kind of market. Once housing is added in Ishgard and increased elsewhere, demand should go down, and the people trying to flip houses will be stuck with them or take a loss. This risk seems fair. The important point is that, as always, players have options: buy now and pay whatever crazy price someone is asking or be patient and wait for more housing. This is the same option that consumers have for virtually any product by the way.

Lastly, the main reason I care about my personal house is to have increased gardening options. If SE adds a feature to allow players to garden without a house, a lot of us might give up our houses to players who want them for other reasons.

[rarecandi]

If it's against ToS, it seems counterintuitive to me. Housing should be just like other in-game commodity and able to be sold/traded for in-game currency or items. If run-selling is legal, why wouldn't selling housing be?

That being said, I understand people's outrage. A lot of players can't get housing at all and some players are making a fortune flipping houses.

I have multiple houses. Between FC, shared, and personal. I just want people to see that it is indeed against the TOS. People are literally in denial about it. No, they do not have an aggressive stance on it. No, it doesn't seem like they will ever have that kind of stance. But I was trying to be informative, instead people are bashing me. I guess my good intentions weren't good enough.

[PArcher]

I have multiple houses. Between FC, shared, and personal. I just want people to see that it is indeed against the TOS. People are literally in denial about it. No, they do not have an aggressive stance on it. No, it doesn't seem like they will ever have that kind of stance. But I was trying to be informative, instead people are bashing me. I guess my good intentions weren't good enough.

TBH, sometimes support will give wrong answers to reports (and, like you said, its really easy to photoshop messages...). I know at one point they said that you can't kick people except for the stated reasons, no exceptions, but the official stance is different now ("playstyle differences" is a valid reason, even though its not listed, for example).

As bad as some make it, there's no reason to say that selling houses/plots is against ToS. Harassing people over it can be. But just trying to sell it? You'd have to makechanges to the MB too, with people selling things worth a few gil for millions.

And no, I'm not part of it. If you think the price is too high, don't buy. People will complain no matter what, even if all houses were bought "legitimately"

[rarecandi]

People will complain no matter what, even if all houses were bought "legitimately"

This is all too true. Even with proof people seem to just believe what they want. They think just because SE doesn't have a pushy stance on it means that people don't get banned. They do. I've seen it and heard about it happening. Its nothing like 'OMG permabanned'. It seems that SE has quite a lack of involvement in actually taking corrective action with all things against TOS.

[Stormrider]

If it's against ToS, it seems counterintuitive to me. Housing should be just like other in-game commodity and able to be sold/traded for in-game currency or items. If run-selling is legal, why wouldn't selling housing be?

Because it makes the poor system in place look even worse. In the past they have never said one way or another.

This is also why the live letters are crap. Instead of stroking the egos of the development team they should be answering real questions when they come up. Also to the people who respond they need time off. Guess what when a division is disintegration before your very eyes. You have to come into work.

[Stormrider]

If it's against ToS, it seems counterintuitive to me. Housing should be just like other in-game commodity and able to be sold/traded for in-game currency or items. If run-selling is legal, why wouldn't selling housing be?

Because it makes the poor system in place look even worse. In the past they have never said one way or another.

This is also why the live letters are crap. Instead of stroking the egos of the development team they should be answering real questions when they come up. Also to the people who respond they need time off. Guess what when a division is disintegration before your very eyes. You have to come into work.


More wards and private apartment housing in future patches is already a pretty big statement if you ask me. My what ever you have on top give it a shake. That is the same canned response you get from people who have no real answer or know the answer is crap. A real answer is X wards on X date will be implemented. It will be its own patch. What realistically we can expect is bare minimum with one more ward and houses gone in an hour and them ignoring it again for 18 months. Ignore might be a strong word, come up with no solution for 18 months.

[Felis]

More wards and private apartment housing in future patches is already a pretty big statement if you ask me.[/COLOR] My what ever you have on top give it a shake. That is the same canned response you get from people who have no real answer or know the answer is crap. A real answer is X wards on X date will be implemented. It will be its own patch. What realistically we can expect is bare minimum with one more ward and houses gone in an hour and them ignoring it again for 18 months. Ignore might be a strong word, come up with no solution for 18 months.

It will come with 3.3 (end of spring /early summer)
There will be new wards for the already existing housing areas, a new housing area for Ishgard and a new type of house that have rooms for about 500 players each house (no FC needed)

[Adire]

If it's against ToS, it seems counterintuitive to me. Housing should be just like other in-game commodity and able to be sold/traded for in-game currency or items. If run-selling is legal, why wouldn't selling housing be?

There are huge differences between run selling and house selling. Housing is very limited, run selling is not. We can look at certain people who are making it known they're buying many houses, and to groups like a certain griefer hunt linkshell/FC here on Balmung that is hoarding houses and selling them at extortionate prices simply to grief.

The player base is clearly not mature or considerate enough to be given free reign to handle housing in such a limited form. And as such, the system should be enforced as it's intended to work.

[rarecandi]

There are huge differences between run selling and house selling. Housing is very limited, run selling is not.

The player base is clearly not mature or considerate enough to be given free reign to handle housing in such a limited form. And as such, the system should be enforced as it's intended to work.

This is exactly why I've posted this. The difference is extremely clear. SE's neutral stance says a lot about their lack of care for the players lately.

[Sterne]

It seems really weird if that would be against the game's rules.

That being said, I understand people's outrage. A lot of players can't get housing at all and some players are making a fortune flipping houses. I personally don't have a problem with it because I think it's just like playing any other kind of market

As in real life, the housing market has regulations and some semblance of control. What has become common practice, I honestly believe, is indeed disruptive, and does fall under the ToS as section 3.2 for two reasons:

1. On principle, some content is blocked by not owning a house. Taking advantage of this demand for housing by buying a large amount and selling the plots for excessive gil, is indeed disruptive.

2. Aside from principle, lets take a step back and look at the obvious. The WIDESPREAD outrage is a disruption to the game and player base. So what is there to do except go after the source of this disruption.