Yoshi - Players who "Like" Challenges would ALSO like to obtain a Relic Weapon

[Arashmin]

That is what raiding is for.

While partially true, the raids are too demanding for a lot of people. For me, good luck finding people on just starting for midnight. And there is challenging enough content, raid or not, waiting to be used, but instead they're forcing the most mind-numbing of all of their content on everyone. And so there's no incentive still between casual and hardcore to actually excel.

[Reilyn]

@Reilyn, with that argument it again just boils down to people stamping their feet

Oh yeah sure, let's use metaphors to paint people with opposing views to you as children...

and wanting to do the relic how they see fit.

Aaaaaaand...? In case you haven't noticed, that's pretty much what they were going for with the current relic quest's design, but they still missed out on appealing to large groups of players with it.

There's something wrong with people not wanting to sit through multiple flavors of a mind numbing grind we've mostly done to death for the past half a year for a weapon that's confirmed to be outdated very shortly after most even get it at a normal pace...?

Well excuse us for wanting to do something that takes a bit more effort, and rewards an appropriately higher amount of progress toward the relic for actually demanding more from the player.

According to you, asking for the relic to be done as we see fit is asking too much of the quest line designed with the goal to be done as we see fit, so I think I'll just refrain from responding to you now.

[Dante_V]

This relic isn't a challenge though, it's redundancy.

Patience is a challenge. Judging by the feedback on these boards it is one of the greatest challenges. Redundancy is not mutually exclusive to challenging. In fact some of the greatest challenges to mankind have been insanely redundant and conquered.

[WinterLuna]

There's something wrong with people not wanting to sit through multiple flavors of a mind numbing grind we've mostly done to death for the past half a year

Um, extreme trials and Binding Coil are even older content than Alexander? You're asking for the same "mind numbing grind" but with content that's been here a lot longer than the current.

First people are asking for all new content, then people are asking for a shorter grind, and now people are asking for the same grind but just with a different set of activities that are already implemented. SE can't win, there's always going to be someone complaining because the relic isn't suited to them.

The player base doesn't just want something that "takes a bit more effort" but most people want the relic changing altogether. Not to mention a lot of the player base are perfectly content with how the relic is now, so speak for yourself.

[RiceisNice]

First people are asking for all new content, then people are asking for a shorter grind, and now people are asking for the same grind but just with a different set of activities that are already implemented. SE can't win, there's always going to be someone complaining because the relic isn't suited to them.

Stop lumping all the "people" into one collective group then. Doing 3.x primals and trials would have been a far better alternative than reusing 2.x content that's been in since...well, 2.x.

[WinterLuna]

Stop lumping all the "people" into one collective group then. Doing 3.x primals and trials would have been a far better alternative than reusing 2.x content that's been in since...well, 2.x.

I'm not "lumping" people into a collective group. What do you want me to call them, aliens? My whole point (which you missed) is that everyone wants something different and no matter what SE implement someone is going to be unhappy.

Also, I'll stop using collective groups when people stop using the word "we" as though everyone shares the same opinion. Split those groups I mentioned into three and two will still be unhappy if this was to be implemented.

Anyway, over and out, have a good Christmas everyone.

[Reilyn]

Um, extreme trials and Binding Coil are even older content than Alexander?

I was referencing alex normal and lvl60 dungeons for law tomes as things most people don't want to do to the degree the relic quest demands after doing them for the past months.

You're asking for the same "mind numbing grind" but with content that's been here a lot longer than the current.

OP used running older unsynched content as an example for challenging players, and suggested rewarding people more progress to their relic for doing them than what they grant now.

I suggested rewarding more progress toward relic weapon for doing alexander savage since most of the playerbase wouldn't give alex savage a second look otherwise.

First people are asking for all new content, then people are asking for a shorter grind, and now people are asking for the same grind but just with a different set of activities that are already implemented. SE can't win, there's always going to be someone complaining because the relic isn't suited to them.

Yes they can win, by making more options, and appealing to all sorts of players. AKA: fufilling the intention of the relic quest design. Don't make excuses for SE.

Also, the solution to the problem isn't mutually exclusive with the other options we already have. Design-wise, It's as simple as:

-You can't do difficult content? Do the current grinds
-You can do some challenging content such as A1S at least? Congrats, you're awarded with 50 of each precision token for clearing that floor for the first time since accepting the relic quest

Everyone wins.

Now answer me this: who is made unhappy by this change, and how? Actually answer this before you go on. Name a demographic in game that would be rubbed the wrong way by a change like this, and back it up. I'm pretty sure you can't.

The player base doesn't want something that "takes a bit more effort" so speak for yourself.

1: Good job on invalidating yourself by claiming to speak for the playerbase.

2: *Looks at OP's upvotes* Hmmmmmmmmmm...

[WinterLuna]

I'm speaking for myself too, but I'm not the only person who likes the current relic either. Up votes don't really mean anything, by the way, as most people come to the forums to complain while the satisfied players are playing the game. I'm done replying though, good luck getting this implemented.

[Reilyn]

Up votes don't really mean anything, by the way

It means that your statement about the playerbase not wanting it is inherently wrong actually.

Now are you going to run away from this question again?

-You can't do difficult content? Do the current grinds
-You can do some challenging content such as A1S at least? Congrats, you're awarded with 50 of each precision token for clearing that floor for the first time since accepting the relic quest

Everyone wins.

Now answer me this: who is made unhappy by this change, and how? Actually answer this before you go on. Name a demographic in game that would be rubbed the wrong way by a change like this, and back it up.

[Zojha]

On that note, I'm sure people who don't like challenging content would also like to get an easier but more time consuming way to get the raid weapons, especially when it comes at the same time as the content itself.

So why not make the next Alexander Savage weapons grindable via tokens from normal mode?

It's only fair to have a way to make the hard way easier but longer if you can make the long way harder but shorter.