you guys went overboard with this new relic

[Kerwin]

While first two steps are ok, there are several problems here...
1) It's awfully late in the patch cycle to introduce this considering there's essentially nothing new about the quests.
2) The crafting part is way overtuned. If it's going to be 1-star specialist, at least let it be enough with normal quality. hq 1+ star specialist recipes would make sense for CRAFTER relics, but it seriously don't make sense now. It's not even close to being reasonable compared to the other parts of the quests.
3) There's nothing new to the quests... It's a mix of what we had in the 2.x relic.

A placeholder. The dev team implemented this relic to keep people from running out of things to do. A bit of a joke really. Imo the relic quest ended with the zetas. I'm a pretty casual player with little free time to play and I don't want to spend it regrinding old content to simply have a shiny glamor. My time can be spent doing more enjoyable things.

[Felis]

last time i did check the item for the relic was sell at 1.9M unit... meaning 30.4Million of gils for a weapon that in 2 month will be obsolete.... great no?

Transfer to an JP server, buy them for ~50k each (what I have heard) and transfer back.

[Reilyn]

A placeholder. The dev team implemented this relic to keep people from running out of things to do. A bit of a joke really. Imo the relic quest ended with the zetas. I'm a pretty casual player with little free time to play and I don't want to spend it regrinding old content to simply have a shiny glamor. My time can be spent doing more enjoyable things.

Yeah, like actual challenging, and fun content accessible/beatable to most of the player population, like thordan ex, or even a1s, and a2s.

If only we could potentially get most of the required grinding done for the relic by doing the aforementioned fairly new, and relevant content that requires some level of actual player skill.

That sounds familiar... hmmmmmmmmmm...

Oh yeah! It would be like 2.0 relic again how we all used to bash our heads against titan hm for days until we all got better as a community at actually playing the game and our classes at something that could be considered a challenge!

Why can't we have the option of doing that for a far larger payout in progress through our relic weapon's 3rd step?

Why can't we have another skill wall to create some incentive for players to challenge themselves, and get better for something they want?

Why can I get my worse itemized SCH weapon from a4s with less gil and time than a relic weapon?! I have literally spent less gil on food, potions, and repairs in the time it took me to clear a4s (each of the HQ items on balmung are currently ~150k, then multiply that by 16, and you get... alot more gil than I have spent in months on anything). At this point, I'm 3 pages away from a book that I don't care for because it doesn't have crit.

Doing chores is rewarded more than the actual challenging content for some jobs more than others. It shouldn't be this way. Plain and simple.





edit: you did already answer my first rhetorical question though; intentional or not, it's pretty much shameless stall tactic. Even worse yet, it was delayed because 'it wasn't finished'. They probably don't want a fast track via player skill through the grind so this 'content' can 'last' until 3.2. Doing something like this is very likely to cost them more subs than the ones they do manage to string along with this.

I'd expect this from SEGA's F2p game, PSO2. Not from an MMO that asks for a subscription who's name is up there with WoW as an MMO giant.

[Kaurie]

So, would you rather have another grind in place of crafting mats? How about another 300 alex normal runs? See I can make slippery slope arguments too ^_^ yay fallacies for everyone




So... then... only raids and ex primals should drop high level weapons? Because outside of the relic, most weapons are garbage.

Neither of your replies comes close to arguing back at what I said. I'm really not certain how to respond for fear that you might pretend I said something completely different again. Either way, I'll try.

No, I definitely did not say I'd rather have another grind in place for crafting mats. I said that the relics don't need to include every aspect of the game, as you suggested they did (albeit in a sarcastic way). I went on to provide examples of some things in the game that are currently not a part of the relic (that I assume you would be against them adding, such as raiding, leveling and guildhests).

Only raids and ex primals should drop high level weapons isn't what I said. Though, I don't necessarily think that would be a bad design. What I said is that if you are getting a relic that is used for combat, then non combat aspects should be left out of the grind. Similarly, I don't think that one should have to raid in order to progress in their crafting endeavors (to clarify, this doesn't mean raids/ex primals shouldn't drop mats used by crafters for glamours, such as ifrit/garuda ex, but that you shouldn't be capped with lesser crafting gear or unable to progress in terms of crafting without doing a raid.


All of that said, I'd rather 300 more Alex Normal runs than the current crafting part. Both are pretty stupid design choices imo, but w.e.

[Houston009]

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I wouldn't bother trying to get the people on the forums to understand you. Most are way too stubborn and/or simple-minded to have any type of swaying capacity.

[WinterLuna]

Wow, you really don't see the big picture here, do you? This won't be handed to you on a plate....YET. It will be marginalized eventually, and all your hard work will be crapped on.

You do realise this happens with pretty much everything, right? The relic isn't something special that remains amazing. I got Kirin before the nerf and spent MONTH'S trying to get it and now people can get him in a day. Do I care? No. Everything has a shelf life, if you haven't realised that already, you're the one who needs to see the bigger picture.

[Kaurie]

That is in a populated server with veteran crafters. In a small server those things are ALOT more expensive. Thus your ability to make the relic is also heavily based on your server's population & economy. This was raised many times in other threads especially those in a smaller server & people's response to that was " oh just server transfer.", that is a terrible solution, server transfer should never be an option while bigger servers do prove to have its advantages.

Balmung has 3 times the population as siren,jenova etc. This was released just last month.

Hey, can you link the source to this? I just found an identical image with a different vertical axis showing the average close to 20k per server instead of 5k as your image suggests. Both are just imgur links, and I cannot find the original.

Thanks!

[VirusChris]

Wow... everyone appears to be very salty right now regarding the Relic and arguments. Perhaps this video could lighten the mood a bit and put a smile on everyone's faces?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVGa7HIWyG8

Well I've just started thew Anima Weapon Relic and was hoping to try and get the first form for all of the Classes (though I only have 4 Lv60 Battle Classes atm) but I'm going to stop at the ilvl200 one. I main NIN and the Alex Savage 4 Weapon is superior in my eyes already as it has both Determination and Critical Hit Rate stats I want instead of the Eso being the Critical Hit Rate with Skill Speed and the Anima Relic with the Determination and Skill Speed. I knew it was going to be a grind for this weapon, but I frowned when I saw the Crafting was involved. I wasn't too bitter for the Zodiac part as someone can level up all Craft classes and make the item themselves, but what I found idiotic is the Specialist Recipes required.

I wouldn't mind as much if it were 1 HQ for each item like the Zodiac step was, but 4 for each of them!? That's 16 HQ items right there and then there's the fact your only allowed 3 Specialist Classes at any given time... sure you can ask around for help and/or ask any FC who are crafters with Specialist classes as well but considering how daunting it is to level up the Crafting Classes for people (I only have all of my Crafting Classes at Lv55 at the moment and it's such a pain to level them all but I like to have them to craft my own items and meld Materia to my gear or someone's gear as it requires capped level to put in Tier 4 and 5 Materia on gear) so I can have the best Crafting Gear to make the Specialist Items more easily. This is not fun in the least.

I'd probably do the third step here and there, but I'm not going to rush it and I hope they reduce or fix the third part soon. I greatly enjoyed the first step of the Zodiac Relic and I was hoping for something similar for the Anima Weapon at least so while it might not be the best weapon at the moment I would have it ready for the next step in the next patch to upgrade it to better weapon easily so I can do other content, but alas. I did my PLD and NIN pre-nerf (except for NIN at first) and for all the steps and it was exhausting but I did it, however I haven't leveled all of my classes and it takes a long time to do so and considering the next patch is coming in about two months from now.

Not worth the time and effort for the third step and I don't even know if the next Relic part will even BE in the next patch. So I'll leave it at ilvl200 and try to do the Alex Savage runs to get the best NIN weapon for my character and I don't even do Raids that much or interest in doing them. I only do Coil and Alex for the story mostly and I have yet to beat T13 and seeing my sever when someone does have a T13 PF they have it as a Farm Party and when I do a Learning/Clear Party... no one joins.

Well I'm going to work on my other classes and max out Vanu Vanu at Rank 8 so I'll be all set for the next patch and try to complete the Zodiac Weapons for my other 8 classes as I've already gotten all materials I need for them and I'm not stopping now that Anima Weapon is here... though the bloody Books are wearing me out.

Kinda wish it were like the XI Legendary Weapons I heard so much about in terms of being the "end-all" weapon where once you got it and worked on it over the months and years you'd be all set with the ultimate weapon in the game. Sheesh I've heard how difficult it was to make it and upgrade it over and over again, but it was worth the time and effort put into and a shining example on how a legendary mystical weapon should be.

[OMGAFLYINGPENGUIN]

Hey, can you link the source to this? I just found an identical image with a different vertical axis showing the average close to 20k per server instead of 5k as your image suggests. Both are just imgur links, and I cannot find the original.

Thanks!

Dang I can't find the link anymore but I'm positive this was last month's population, the one you saw might've been before this.

[Kaurie]

Dang I can't find the link anymore but I'm positive this was last month's population, the one you saw might've been before this.

It said it was uploaded 2 months ago and for October 2015. It literally looked identical (same bar heights etc) but with a different axis value. I guess one of them may have been modified. I was just curious because one suggests the current pop is 320k subs and the other 4x that at 1.3 mil subs.

Wow... everyone appears to be very salty right now regarding the Relic and arguments. Perhaps this video could lighten the mood a bit and put a smile on everyone's faces?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVGa7HIWyG8

Haha funny video, though the part in it where they say some 200 and 205 weapons are better is very incorrect. Even Ninjas, which arguably is the worst with the horrid stat weight of skill speed for NIN and high stat weight of CRIT, is better to go with the Relic than with Thordan EX weapon. I did the math in another thread, but basically the Relic is roughly 11 DEX worth more than the Thordan. It's not as good as an increase as others, but it's still better.