Does SE want to us go back to WoW? Because this is how you lose MORE players to WoW.

[Kallera]

... If every person who came here to complain about the relic, also gave a well thought out idea on what they could have done differently (and I'm not just talking about "Make it easier! With less stuff!") the devs might come up with ideas they might not have thought of otherwise.

Just screaming that the devs have done a horrible job, and you hate them, and you want to unsub, doesn't help as much as people seem to think.

I definitely never, at any point tried to deny anyone's right to judge....

Except you just did, in the previous sentence.

Between zeta and anima People have now seen the presumed process of the relic, from its start to its end, and it is unsatisfying compared to other mmos and games. Don't presume no one has ever been compelled to run content over and over before. I certainly have, but it had better be worth more than "25% off the next monotonous task we design for this sort of thing".

This isn't all handwaved as some limitation of the genre or its players. We've seen better quests, and we have seen better rewards for said quests.

[Zophar]

You mean like the OP drawing a comparison to a system he considers good vs what SE implemented?

Honestly, kinda yeah. But 2 points on that. First off, he's one of the few people I've seen actually do so. So kudos on that. But I do feel like delivery matters in a way. When you deliver feedback in the form of an aggressive rant, it kind of distracts away from whatever good you may have intended in the message.

Except you just did, in the previous sentence.

At what point did I deny anyone's right to judge? You may have misinterpreted my words to mean that, but if you read it again, all I tried to do was try to suggest to people to leave their "judgement" in a way that might be helpful rather than blind anger and insults being lashed out with no real point other than to say "I'm angry."

[Kaurie]

Honestly, kinda yeah. But 2 points on that. First off, he's one of the few people I've seen actually do so. So kudos on that. But I do feel like delivery matters in a way. When you deliver feedback in the form of an aggressive rant, it kind of distracts away from whatever good you may have intended in the message.

Truth, I have been trying to keep my feedback level-headed. Granted, it still feels like SE hasn't been listening.

[Kallera]

At what point did I deny anyone's right to judge? You may have misinterpreted my words to mean that, but if you read it again, all I tried to do was try to suggest to people to leave their "judgement" in a way that might be helpful rather than blind anger and insults being lashed out with no real point other than to say "I'm angry."

I'll leave the particulars of a person's feelings and how they deliver them to the mods, not you.

As far as I'm concerned they can feel as angry as they wish.
This content, apart from having problems of its own, served to exacerbate the issues many players have had with 3.0's content.