What is wrong with people on the forum..?

[SchalaZeal]

1. It takes about 30 days to get the tokens if you do expert roulette, lv 60 roulette, lv 50 roulettes (which is 460 law and between 120 and 200 poetics), beastmen (Vanu + 9 from others = also an extra 90 poetics) as well as a map like wyvernskin daily. So it's not "but I'll get it in 3.5!!" nope, it's way easier and faster. If you didn't level your beast tribe rep by now, it's all on you. And getting a gather to 51 to get archaeoskin maps isn't that onerous.

2. Stop saying people want new content tied to the relic like Chimera and Hydra. Some might want that, but it's definitely not everyone who wants content that's soon forgotten and a pain to organize runs for after when its no longer current. Primals have longer lasting time *because* they're not specifically tied to relic. The lv 49 trial in Western Thanalan is also a pain because outside story there is no reason to run it. Thankfully at lv 60 you can carry someone with just 2 people. I much prefer running the roulettes and beastmen and having Alex NM an option, than new special just-for-relic stuff.

3. People will want to run the relic for more than one job, likely not-their-main to get other jobs with i200+ weapons. And people will get multiple up to i210 (maybe even all 13) for looks but also for achievement and to be ready for the next step. I'm personally hoping for picking secondaries for Summoner, since the relic is bad for Crit now. But I'll do it anyway (after Scholar, yay crit on relic!!).

4. Oh and people claiming Titan HM and other skill-based content is good for relic, and how we should run extreme primals for relic. No, just no. Just Bismarck HM can be a pain to run if you help someone. It would be very anti-casual. Be a roadblock like A3S, but for people who'd never set foot in savage. I much prefer time and effort to skill-wall and frustration. Even if I could personally scale that wall.

5. I very very very much appreciate that the tokens are not RNG-gated and that I don't have to change my religion and pray to RNGesus for tokens. I prefer that to 10% chance drop from 16 different dungeons, a million times better.

[Fynlar]

I think the relic quests would have been far better received if they either came out with 3.0, or very soon after it. When people have already been in a "welp, nothing to do except the same old stuff grinding tomes until I hit weekly cap, things are getting stale, yawn" state for a long while (particularly the big 5-month lull between 3.0 and 3.1), the last thing people want to do is grind out even more old stuff they've already done. I think these people were meant to be appeased by Diadem in the meantime, but due to its various flaws that plan did not really end up working out.

Having to grind FATEs might have been a little more appealing if people could actually use the EXP, but as it stands, most people probably have the jobs they wanted to level up already at 60 by now (again, as a result of that long 3.0-3.1 lull)

All in all, I think the timing for something like this was not the best and that is why you're seeing the reaction on the forums that you are.

[silentwindfr]

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you know that you defend what mustn't be defended?

nor you know what is the prime function of a forum?

a forum is used for communicate with the dev team, for tell them about what you want or not wanting... they are used most of the time for this. you use them for share information, but the main purpose is to say when we don't love something. a forum is used for take the temperature of what think the community about released content. people happy will rarely take part into it. people like you are most of the time ignored, you are defending something without really bring any argument to the discution.

the goal of the thread are to bring discution about mount, quest, relic, stuff like this... not to say, thank you or we do love this... we don't say it, whe show it by playing the game and doing the content release.

people have show them how they feal about the recent content already, with less people connecting everydays... they did ask for something to do. because soo far all the relevant content and challenge is adjusted for 8-9% of the community. meaning 81-82% of it is bored because they have small game like triple triad, chocobo racing or lord of verminion to play, but do it offer a challenge? do it offer the fun people look for in a mmorpg? no...

do the relic that people was waiting after hearding news about what wow did when copying the relice of FF14 for the legion expansion, was fun? no it's not fun... we will do what we was doing for more of 6 month... with a small variation, the 2 dungeon have changed, but in the form they the same, only the shape monster, and the area have really changed, a lot of the mechanic used by the boss are mechanic we have already seen countless time.

then people complain, that legitimate, they was expecting new stuff to do... void ark feel rushed and barely at the level of the cristal tower in terms of challenge and fun. the new dungeon feel extremely bland and barely news... we fight monster we already have seen with a reshape there and there, we do have a few new monster and boss, but... pfff.... it's barely enough, we did wait 5 month for this... we did get 1 raid at 24 and 2 dungeon for a wait of 5 month.

then people did expect SE to give us a relic that will not be used for revitalize content we don't want to play anymore, because we did grind them already countless time.

- do i want to redo the beast tribes quest? no... the new content added is for a craft that i feel was destroyed by trying to add token to the whole without answer the main concern about it.... it's useless. you don't have a goal as crafter outside gather gil that often useless. as DoW or DoM you have new goal added by exploring new content and face new challenge... as crafter you don't have any of this. outside mindless grind for gather rare ressource for try to craft one item.
- do i want to do alexander normal?.... i did farm it over and over and over. add new loot to it will not change the fact i know this place perfectly!!!! i have no reason to want to torture myself by redo a content that have no variation into it!
- do i want to farm old dungeon for get poetic? god... do i need to answer this? do i need to explain that i don't want to return to level 50, i take time to train how to play my job to 60 and now i must return to 50 and forget everything learn? kill the whole purpose to add new skill and new possibility to the jobs?

what the people was expecting? a true content created specifically for the relic, new challenge to do in group, solo and maybe 8 player. content that force person to show it master it class for earn the right to have the relic, make it count and not be an item like this that can be exchanged for another item.
you know what, i'm not against the grind, i'm against mindless and not fun grind! everything they have done for heavensward patch soo far, is not fun! they can't expact people to have fun with the same toy they have simply repaint it.

ps: sorry i must look rude, but i'm tired of people defending without bring any argument, if we complain, it's too because we love this game, we don't want to see it suffer what did happend with the V1 when they did ignore them playerbase and they redo it! they need to take one minute for talk to everyone! not the japanese only! or they will have notice trouble like mudra lag far sooner!

it's nice to meet the fan in japan every month.... but they represent only a part of the community they can't be used for represent us all!

[Viridiana]

4. Oh and people claiming Titan HM and other skill-based content is good for relic, and how we should run extreme primals for relic. No, just no. Just Bismarck HM can be a pain to run if you help someone. It would be very anti-casual. Be a roadblock like A3S, but for people who'd never set foot in savage. I much prefer time and effort to skill-wall and frustration. Even if I could personally scale that wall.

Gee, if only people playing this game had some incentive to improve.

[silentwindfr]

Gee, if only people playing this game had some incentive to improve.

it's more if people had content outside raid that force them to improve that we lack.... how you want people to really learn to play when the dungeon are limit faceroll!

[Viridiana]

it's more if people had content outside raid that force them to improve that we lack.... how you want people to really learn to play when the dungeon are limit faceroll!

That's been my point for a long time. Especially when they nerfed Steps of Faith...

[silentwindfr]

That's been my point for a long time. Especially when they nerfed Steps of Faith...

i do wish they add another type of endgame for group of 4, it's easier to train in group of 4 than group of 8... especially for learn how master your class. but well Yoshida think you can't do hard content at 4 he have said it at the fanfest of london. when one player have ask about some sort of raid at 4

[Kaurie]

Gee, if only people playing this game had some incentive to improve.

Beyond that, this part got me

Just Bismarck HM can be a pain to run if you help someone.

Iiiiiss, this part true? Are people actually having troubles on Bismark Hard? Like enough that if you had to do it for relic that people would never be able to complete it?

2. Stop saying people want new content tied to the relic like Chimera and Hydra. Some might want that, but it's definitely not everyone who wants content that's soon forgotten and a pain to organize runs for after when its no longer current. Primals have longer lasting time *because* they're not specifically tied to relic. The lv 49 trial in Western Thanalan is also a pain because outside story there is no reason to run it. Thankfully at lv 60 you can carry someone with just 2 people. I much prefer running the roulettes and beastmen and having Alex NM an option, than new special just-for-relic stuff..

I get what you are saying here, but stop and think about it for a second. Every thing in the game will eventually become outdated and people will do less and less of it as time goes on. This includes fates, dungeons, trials, raids etc. So no matter what, people will do less of any new content eventually than at release. So ultimately you are saying that you'd rather no new content should be involved. Is that correct? Don't you think that seems a little silly? I mean, it's what we got, but to me that seems crazy.

[Nominous]

Stop saying people want new content tied to the relic like Chimera and Hydra. Some might want that, but it's definitely not everyone who wants content that's soon forgotten and a pain to organize runs for after when its no longer current. Primals have longer lasting time *because* they're not specifically tied to relic.

So apparently running 800 Alexander normals is better than the trouble of organizing a couple of runs of content that was made specifically for the Relic? Apparently, leveling beast tribes from literal nothingness is better than it too? I'm glad they added more ways to grind this stuff out. However, I'm one of the people who just wishes that there was an option, alongside the grind, that allowed for me to just win a couple coil difficulty fights (made specifically for relic) to progress, instead of a ton of tedious EASY, and boring tasks.

[Veralidaine]

I just wish they'd make one giant megathread to voice their concerns over hundreds of 2 page complaint threads.